Myanmar/Burma civil conflict

A potato

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You sounds like from medival Europe. If you have lived in Europe, you should know what religion means in the society, NOTHING, unless you are surrounded by nazis.

Uh no I am talking about Kachin Independence Army which is pro west because of conversion to Christianity under colonialism which last time I checked is in South east Asia not Europe. And also religion still does mean something has influnce in the Balkans expeccialy in ex Yugoslavia, importantly Bosnia. (Look at America where they sponser Christians to fight non christian and boast about Judeo Christian Values.)
 

supersnoop

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Except national level, I think the communication at middle and lower level between China and Myanmar government is in English. It would be very difficult to find any Chinese speaking Burmese. The difficulty of finding such competence is common among all "small" languages.

I'm sure that's the case, but this looks like some kind of media "event". It also looks like the PRC side of the border, so I would think it would be at least have the name in Chinese. That's why I say it's rare to be pure English.

Uh no I am talking about Kachin Independence Army which is pro west because of conversion to Christianity under colonialism which last time I checked is in South east Asia not Europe. And also religion still does mean something has influnce in the Balkans expeccialy in ex Yugoslavia, importantly Bosnia. (Look at America where they sponser Christians to fight non christian and boast about Judeo Christian Values.)

Ironically, you chose the worst possible example where America sponsored Muslims (Bosnians and Albanians) to fight Christians (Croats and Serbs)

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Many other examples as well
American sponsored FSA in Syria which is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood who is battling against Assad who has the support of many Christians (ie. Armenians, Maronites, and if you count them, Russians, lol)
 
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A potato

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I think the Mystine Dam Project was cancelled due to the Kachin Independence Army not wanting it (They have US connections remember).

Yeah but ideologicly speaking they're western aligned due to religon (christianity) it's the samething with the Kayins aka Karens.
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Apperently it's even deeper, the reason why the KIA is so pro west is because they outright worship them as they see Americans as the founder of Kachin culture awakening.
 

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Apperently it's even deeper, the reason why the KIA is so pro west is because they outright worship them as they see Americans as the founder of Kachin culture awakening.

Western missionaries formalized a lot of the alphabets of the hill tribes. This gives them enormous influence over their education and control over their literati elites. This is the fundamental situation that must be rectified. Ive suggest here before that Pinyin based writing system for Wa and Jingpo be developed on the Chinese side, stabilized by dedicated academics in Minzu University and propagated across the border through economic osmosis.

Btw, that article is incorrect about their weapons. KIA overwhelmingly use Chinese origin weapons or weapons manufactured by Chinese industrial equipment. Pictures of M16s in that article were easily reverse image searched to Karen and Naga forces respectively. The fact that the author failed to easily identify a fairly basic stereotype: A Karen child soldier holding a Vietnam era XM177, suggests to me that they are unreliable as a source.
 

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Western missionaries formalized a lot of the alphabets of the hill tribes. This gives them enormous influence over their education and control over their literati elites. This is the fundamental situation that must be rectified. Ive suggest here before that Pinyin based writing system for Wa and Jingpo be developed on the Chinese side, stabilized by dedicated academics in Minzu University and propagated across the border through economic osmosis
Western missionaries created the alphabets of the hill tribes more than a hundred or even two hundred years ago; the missionaries are no longer involved with the language regulation and their influence is not any more than the UK government has influence over US literati due to the use of the English language. The only "influence" we can speak of is the sense of gratitude towards Westerners which is EXTREMELY common for hill tribes and other isolated tribes everywhere under non-white settler forms of colonial rule (Vietnamese Montagnards, Indonesian Eastern islanders and Bataks, India's Northeast tribes), because the Westerners almost always assisted them with avoiding assimilation into the larger nearby ethnic groups, due to colonial divide and rule policies. In the modern age linguistic standardisation is mainly performed by locals and their diaspora using internet mass circulation, and persuading the public to overhaul their alphabet is incredibly difficult once established. The only way to win them over is to take over the colonialists' role as 靠山 and sponsor them in resisting the larger ethnic group, no need for these 19th century tactics.
 

RedMetalSeadramon

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Western missionaries created the alphabets of the hill tribes more than a hundred or even two hundred years ago; the missionaries are no longer involved with the language regulation and their influence is not any more than the UK government has influence over US literati due to the use of the English language. The only "influence" we can speak of is the sense of gratitude towards Westerners which is EXTREMELY common for hill tribes and other isolated tribes everywhere under non-white settler forms of colonial rule (Vietnamese Montagnards, Indonesian Eastern islanders and Bataks, India's Northeast tribes), because the Westerners almost always assisted them with avoiding assimilation into the larger nearby ethnic groups, due to colonial divide and rule policies. In the modern age linguistic standardisation is mainly performed by locals and their diaspora using internet mass circulation, and persuading the public to overhaul their alphabet is incredibly difficult once established. The only way to win them over is to take over the colonialists' role as 靠山 and sponsor them in resisting the larger ethnic group, no need for these 19th century tactics.
This strategy is shortsighted and flawed. It is only viable as long as there is conflict and becomes ineffective when it ceases. While overhauling language is difficult it can be done practically and peacefully and plays to China's advantage in size and proximity. Institutional change to language can prevail as long as its workable and can be done in phases. Develop the language, move it to signage and schools, then move it to software and media. This will ensure continued cultural exchange and alignment between these ethnicities and China in spite of change in geopolitical landscape.
 

Brainsuker

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You sounds like from medival Europe. If you have lived in Europe, you should know what religion means in the society, NOTHING, unless you are surrounded by nazis.
I disagree. Religion is still a very critical factor to human society. Maybe not in the west. But it's true in Asia and another places in the world. Not too long ago, in early 2000, There were civil conflicts that extend into little civil war in Indonesia between Christian and Muslim in Ambon, Maluku. They even have deadly weapons like Assault Rifles; shooting each others, to an extend that the government have to put the area into military operation relgion, and send a lot of soldiers there to stop the conflict and reduce the tension.

So, I'm sure that Myanmar is also the same. Religion still means a lot to the society, and when they have enough masses and weapons, Burned with religion doctrine, ideological jargon, and social problem, they can form even an adequate army to oppose the government.
 
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