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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
The CGI work in Prometheus was great. As a prequel it created more questions than it answered. All in all , poorly scripted and put together, however i think i would watch it again when it comes out DVD
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
I saw the Avengers yesterday in the Mall of America. I enjoyed the film. Kinda a leave your brains at the door kind of movie.. My favorite clip..

[video=youtube;2uaPZdhxnek]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uaPZdhxnek&feature=related[/video]
 

AssassinsMace

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June 12, 2012, 3:20 PM HKT
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Hollywood Summer Slump? It’s China to the Rescue



Associated Press/Columbia Pictures-Sony “Men in Black 3,” minus the Chinatown scene, raked in nearly $50 million in less than two weeks in China.

Facing a spate of big-budget film flops and cash-strapped audiences who are increasingly picky when splurging on summer blockbusters, Hollywood is looking for a superhero.

Who will step in to save the day? Look to Chinese consumers, industry experts say.

The world’s fastest-growing movie market is expected to head to the theaters this summer in droves, helping to lift Hollywood movies’ ticket sales by as much as $50 million per film, up from $15 million per film a year earlier, says Robert Cain, a Los Angeles- based independent film consultant.

China’s box-office revenue climbed to 13.1 billion yuan ($2.08 billion) last year, up 29% from a year earlier, according to the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television. Meanwhile, box-office revenue in the U.S. and Canada dropped 4% to $10.2 billion, according to the Motion Picture Association of America.

Films set to suck in audiences this summer in China include DreamWorks’ animated “Madagascar 3,” which opened in China over the weekend and Relativity Media’s “Mirror Mirror,” a remake of fairy tale “Snow White,” featuring actress Julia Roberts.

Hollywood is looking for brighter days after several big-budget films, such as Warner Brothers’ “Dark Shadows” and Disney’s “John Carter,” have fallen out with U.S. audiences, and China offers it a glimmer of hope.

Chinese movie-goers have already jolted sales for Marvel’s “The Avengers,” which came out in May and had hauled in more than $84 million out of roughly $800 million internationally, according to Box Office Mojo, an online box office reporting service. Despite having roughly three minutes of footage sliced out by the country’s film censors, “Men in Black 3” from Sony/Columbia was also a hit, garnering nearly $22 million in its opening weekend in China versus $54.5 million in the U.S., says Box Office Mojo.

“Hollywood has shown increasing reliance on Chinese audiences because of the quick expansion of screens and the incredible market, and this will only grow in the summer blockbuster season,” says Michael Berry, a Chinese film expert and professor of Chinese cultural studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Just last month, Chinese conglomerate Dalian Wanda Group Corp. agreed to acquire AMC Entertainment Holdings, the second-largest theater chain in the U.S. and Canada, in a deal valued around $2.6 billion.

But while China’s booming movie market may boost the U.S. industry, its success could negatively affect the domestic market, Mr. Cain said.

U.S. studio Lions Gate Entertainment Corp. has received approval to release “The Hunger Games” in China this June, and the last installment of the Batman franchise will hit theaters in July. Chinese films stand dismal chances against these giants, Mr. Cain said.

China currently lacks the know-how to produce the flashy superhero and sci-fi movies that Hollywood does, Mr. Berry said. He noted, however, that the country does have its own A-list directors, such as Feng Xiaogang, and Chinese audiences highly anticipate their movies—although even they have a tough time competing against something like James Cameron’s “Avatar,” which earned about $200 million in China and ranks among the top grossing films in the country.

Chinese producers have learned to run their own blockbusters during Chinese New Year, around the beginning of the year. China’s biggest homegrown film success this year was “The Great Magician,” which was released in January— at which time there was no foreign competition in the market. The action movie, starring Tony Leung, grossed $27 million in China.

– Lou Dietz-Henderson, with contributions from Laurie Burkitt


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Hollywood gripped by pressure system from China
To appease China and gain access to moviegoers and financing, movies include positive references to the nation (no Chinese villains!) and face censorship.

June 12, 2012
When aliens besiege Earth in Universal Pictures' recent action film"Battleship," it is the Chinese authorities in Hong Kong whom Washington credits with delivering the early proof that these invaders aren't exactly homegrown.

But those aren't the only Chinese do-gooders on screen these days.

In "Salmon Fishing in the Yemen,"a romantic comedy about building a dam in the Mideast, Chinese hydroelectric engineers showed off their know-how; the original book included no such characters. In Columbia Pictures' disaster movie "2012," the White House chief of staff extolled the Chinese as visionaries after an ark built by the country's scientists saves civilization.

In fact, references to the Middle Kingdom are popping up with remarkable frequency in movies these days. Some are conspicuously flattering or gratuitous additions designed to satisfy Chinese business partners and court audiences in the largest moviegoing market outside the U.S. Others, filmmakers say, are simply organic reflections of the fact that China is a rising political, economic and cultural power.

Meanwhile, Chinese bad guys are vanishing — literally. Western studios are increasingly inclined to excise potentially negative references to China in the hope that the films can pass muster with Chinese censors and land one of several dozen coveted annual revenue-sharing import quota slots in Chinese cinemas.

MGM, the studio behind the remake of the 1984 movie "Red Dawn," last year digitally altered the invaders attacking the U.S. to make them North Koreans instead of Chinese, as originally shot.

When Sony's "Men in Black 3" was released in China last month, censors had the studio remove or shorten several scenes set in New York's Chinatown that they believed depicted Chinese Americans unflatteringly. (One portrayed Chinatown restaurant workers as alien monsters, and another showed bystanders of Chinese heritage having memories erased by a U.S. government agent / alien fighter played by Will Smith.)

Sony executives refused to comment publicly, and the scenes remained in versions of the film shown outside China. But privately, studio officials suggested they might have considered changing the locale from Chinatown to another New York ethnic enclave — thus altering the movie for audiences worldwide — had they been aware of the Chinese sensitivities before production.

"Hollywood these days is sometimes better at carrying water for the Chinese than the Chinese themselves," said Stanley Rosen, director of the East Asian Studies Center at USC and an expert on film and media. "We are doing all the heavy lifting for them."

A screenwriter on another Hollywood tentpole was told by the studio to steer clear of any Chinese villains in shaping his script.

The net effect is a situation that movie-business veterans say is unprecedented: The suppressive tendencies of a foreign nation are altering what is seen not just in one country but around the world.

"It's a clear-cut case — maybe the first I can think of in the history of Hollywood — where a foreign country's censorship board deeply affects what we produce," said a leading Hollywood producer who, like several others interviewed for this story, spoke on condition of anonymity because he did not want to offend potential Chinese partners.

As overseas box office has become more important to Hollywood, studios have become more attuned to foreign cultures. The industry has been mindful, for instance, about offending Japan, which until recently was the largest foreign market (Japanese characters also play a big part in "Battleship").

With China, co-financing deals add to the pressure: Under those agreements, foreign films receive funding from Chinese entities and are allowed to bypass the quota system. But such films often must include some Chinese elements — positive ones. Marvel Studios' "Iron Man 3," which recently began filming in locales including North Carolina and China, is expected to show a highly friendly side to the Chinese, because the production is accepting Chinese funds from the financing entity DMG.

"We look forward to working alongside DMG to bring 'Iron Man' to the Chinese marketplace in a significant way," Rob Steffens, general manager of operations and finance for Marvel, said when the deal was announced. "Adding a local flavor … will enhance the appeal and relevance of our characters inChina'sfast-growing film marketplace."

Some filmmakers say their inclusion of Chinese elements is a natural part of the creative process — such as a sequence in Disney's "The Muppets"last year in which Miss Piggy, Gonzo and Jack Black were portrayed as martial arts experts, with onscreen flashes of their names in Chinese characters. James Bond will be in Shanghai in the next 007 film, "Skyfall," though the production isn't receiving Chinese funding.

Simon Beaufoy, the writer of "Salmon Fishing," said he was under no obligation to reference China, but that the idea came to him spontaneously. "I wanted the biggest and most ambitious idea, and having the engineers from this dam achieved that," he said. "These days, if you want to put something in a film that's bold and ambitious, chances are you're going to end up with China."

Still, he was mindful of causing offense.

"I thought a lot about it and, yes, I probably was a little more careful" than he might otherwise have been, he said. "With the French and the Brits, for example, we know we can throw bricks at each other and it's all very cheerful. But with China we don't really know where the line is yet.... If you go over the line with the portrayal of any country, it can quickly turn into racism."

Mainland censors have long taken out scenes they deem culturally or politically offensive. In 2007, a Chinese pirate character played by Chow Yun-fat was removed from Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" for its release in China. The character is bald, has a long beard and long fingernails. At one point, he recites a poem in Cantonese, not Mandarin, which Beijing promotes as the nation's common language.

The last timeChina'sState Administration of Radio, Film and Television clarified its censorship guidelines was four years ago. Those guidelines were vague and broad, with prohibitions against "disturbing social orders and harming the social stability," "violations against the fundamental principle of the Constitution," and "promoting obsceneness, gambling and violence."

The rules also forbade content such as "murders, violence, horrors, ghosts and demons, supernaturalism … value orientations confusing the real and the fake, the innocent and the evil, and the beautiful and the ugly."

There's little public resistance. "Chinese will come to the theater even if they know in advance that a film's been cut," said Jimmy Wu, chief executive ofChina'sLumiere Pavilions theater chain. "They're coming for the big-screen experience."

A few years ago, comments on Chinese pop culture website douban.com and movie review site MTime.com regularly reflected the game of "gotcha" that Chinese film fans played with censors. People would buy pirated discs or download uncensored versions of Hollywood films, then comment online about what was missing from the versions in Chinese theaters.

Today, online comments about censorship are at a relative trickle, because, one cautious website executive said, "Chinese take censorship for granted. It's a surprise when a film comes in uncut." The censored "MIB3" took in a robust $48 million in its first 10 days in Chinese cinemas, according to Shanghai film industry consultants Artisan Gateway.

In fact, many Chinese moviegoers appreciate when Hollywood inserts elements that appeal to national pride. In "2012," when the White House staffer (played by Oliver Platt) sings the praises of Chinese scientists, audiences rose for standing ovations.

The effect of all this outside China is more fraught. USC's Rosen worries that a generation of moviegoers could emerge with a skewed, sanitized view of China in which human-rights abuses and even the grittiness of everyday life are swept under the rug.

"I don't think the average U.S. filmgoer is hugely aware of all of these small decisions," said Rosen. "But subliminally, it can start to have an effect."

But some in Hollywood say that collaborating with China doesn't present unmanageable hurdles.

"I'm not sure working with China is that different from working with a big studio," said Michael London, an independent film producer who has had discussions with Chinese entities on a co-production. "I'm being partly facetious, of course. But I do think most producers in this climate have long since stopped looking askance at any entity that can help get their movie made. There are always going to be challenges and compromises."

Even for those companies intent on playing to Chinese interests, though, it's not always simple to do so.

U.S.-based Relativity Media thought it had hit upon a savvy business strategy when it decided to accept Chinese co-financing on its film "21 and Over," a U.S. college comedy that had nothing to do with Asia. After shooting was nearly complete stateside, Relativity added in back story about a Chinese American character and, last fall, the production set out for China.

By shooting in China, the film would get some added production money and hopefully assure itself of a Chinese release.

But the company soon ran afoul of human-rights groups when it decided to shoot in the eastern city of Linyi, near where the blind dissident Chen Guangcheng was under house arrest. The activist group Human Rights Watch even urged a boycott of the film upon its release, prompting a fast back-pedal from Relativity Media. (The film is scheduled for release in the United States in November; no Chinese release date has been set.)

"I think the incident showed why China isn't going to be a simple cash cow," said a person associated with the project who was not authorized to speak publicly on its behalf. "People in Hollywood who want to do in business in China are going to learn this the hard way."

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Landreth reported from Beijing and Zeitchik from New York.

Yeah it's called you have the right not to do business with China. Like is there a gun to their head? That seems to be the excuse a lot these days. It's just like I come across people who think freedom of speech is they have the right to say anything they want and no one can counter it or that's denying them their freedom of speech. Red Dawn... no Chinese official said a word about it and somehow it's China's fault. What are they suggesting? They have the right to make all the anti-Chinese movies they want? They can do that now. It's just not going to save their expensive movie at the box office when China is not showing it in their theaters. But then that's what they're getting at is they want to force Chinese people to watch their anti-China movies and they make money from it at the same time. That's the right they think they're being denied. Sounds familar? The EU wants China to give them money to bail them out but China is not suppose to get anything out of it. I like Westerns but since Europeans are big investors in Hollywood, they have a clause that says their money will not be used to make a Western because they don't like them. That's why the Western has been neglected not because they think the genre is dead. Is that undue European foreign influence?

I commented on an article in The Diplomat couple years ago where the author wrote about how China kept a quota on foreign movies because they wanted to control what Chinese people were exposed to. I wrote saying if that were true and since Hollywood says the Chinese government can control piracy, then wouldn't they stop piracy if they were so concerned with what's being exposed to the Chinese people? All the stuff said to be denied from the Chinese public because of a movie quota can be seen in pirated movies the Chinese government does nothing that they're accuse of having the power to stop. So the fact is the complaining about piracy is not about freedom but simply money. The author of the article replied to me saying he didn't think about it that way. And what's this complaining now about? Money again and not about China is taking away Hollywood's rights.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
I love this quote:

The effect of all this outside China is more fraught. USC's Rosen worries that a generation of moviegoers could emerge with a skewed, sanitized view of China in which human-rights abuses and even the grittiness of everyday life are swept under the rug.

LMAO! Yeah, because having Chinese villains pop up in every Hollywood production is how you would give an unskewed view of China. Do they really write these lines with a straight face?
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I love how it's basically an end around admission that Hollywood is racist. Skewed view? So what about all the complaints of stereotypes and racist portrayals in Hollywood to this very day? So those portrayals are accurate to them?
 

paintgun

Senior Member
a bit late, because i watched it like two weeks ago

after Snow White and the Huntsman, i would probably never watch anything with Kristen Steward in it again
she ruined what could have been a good movie, or a great movie

she has basically two facial expression throughout the movie
one is a smile where she looked like she had just relieved a massive diarrhea, and one where she is struggling to keep it under control

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I love how it's basically an end around admission that Hollywood is racist. Skewed view? So what about all the complaints of stereotypes and racist portrayals in Hollywood to this very day? So those portrayals are accurate to them?

cultures and people are inherently racist
 

Audio

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Saw Battleship today. My friend and I couldn't stop laughing afterwards. Had to be some of the stupiest aliens ever in a movie.


I liked the fact that the only weapon they had was a "ballistic mine dispenser".

Action shots are really good though....
 

vesicles

Colonel
a bit late, because i watched it like two weeks ago

after Snow White and the Huntsman, i would probably never watch anything with Kristen Steward in it again
she ruined what could have been a good movie, or a great movie

she has basically two facial expression throughout the movie
one is a smile where she looked like she had just relieved a massive diarrhea, and one where she is struggling to keep it under control


Yep. Both she and the guy in the Twilight movie have this blank facial expression. They also have this expression suggesting they are about to fall asleep. Don't believe me? just choose 2-3 DVDs covers with either of them on the cover. You'll see what I mean. It's like someone copied and pasted the same photos of them simply changed the background. I don't understand why they become famous...
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Actress Sarah Jessica Parker was reported to be upset because men's magazine Maxim decide to do a list of the 100 most ugliest in Hollywood and she was number one. She shouldn't be surpised since her popularity is among women not men. She's beautiful to women because not of her looks. It's the package of celebrity and fashion she represents; something men don't care about. Kristen Stewart is popular among female Twilight fans.

All these things are decided by a small group of people in a board room. A lot of fame is because of nepotism. You have to know people that know people... And these people lobby for them. It's the whole business of celebrity to get their people in. People magazine is famous for their most beautiful people list every year that Maxim's list was making fun of. That's not done by a democracy? It's political. They have the token minorities of course. When they have an Asian, it's always the one that might've been in a hit movie or TV show but he or she wasn't the main star. If People magazine had that list back in the 1960s, you would've saw Hop Sing from the TV show Bonanza in there.
 
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