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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Chill dude, I'm not questioning if you're Chinese, but you're obviously not very familiar with mainland culture if you're not aware of "Journey to the West". :)

The rules you posted say nothing of having to produce bland historical dramas, or can you highlight some rules that you think would prevent making movies that are, as you said, "fantasy", "promote patriotism or cast another nation in a negative light", "good vs evil", etc?

And like I said, you're only look at "movies coming out of China".


I'm not the one that needs to chill bringing out the who is Chinese or not card. I don't agree with every Chinese but I don't bash them questioning whether they're Chinese simply by my own personal view of what a Chinese should think and be. Yes I'm only looking at movies coming out of China because that's what it was all about in the first place that the next potential leader of China could drop restrictions because he's criticizing Chinese films. What else was I talking about? All of Asian cinema? I didn't know China had final say over how other countries make movies. If he likes the The Departed as an example then at least half those rules might be removed. Simple as that but you seemed to have a problem with it.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I'm not the one that needs to chill bringing out the who is Chinese or not card. I don't agree with every Chinese but I don't bash them questioning whether they're Chinese simply by my own personal view of what a Chinese should think and be. Yes I'm only looking at movies coming out of China because that's what it was all about in the first place that the next potential leader of China could drop restrictions because he's criticizing Chinese films. What else was I talking about? All of Asian cinema? I didn't know China had final say over how other countries make movies. If he likes the The Departed as an example then at least half those rules might be removed. Simple as that but you seemed to have a problem with it.

No, I'm saying that you have a very narrow view of what kinds of movies are allowed in China, and you're basing that view on a very unrepresentative sample of Chinese movies that receive international attention because they were made and marketed to an international audience. Those movies are the product of greed and ignorance, not of censorship laws.

The "problem" I had, if you can call it a problem, is your statement that China only produces "bland historical dramas", which is not true.

Finally, no Chinese leader is going to reform censorship laws just because they like a particular movie.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
^^ all this discussion about movies.:rolleyes:. That's why I like leave your brain at the box office moives.:D

ps I do love the films made in the late 30's, 40s and early 50s. Terrfic films.

Couldnt agree with you more,
With all the trials and tribulations oneis faced with, a bit of pure escapism isnt bad.

Mind you films like "Twelve Angry Men" "To Kill a Mockingbird" were pretty good I saw a simple film with Sydney Portier in it in which he plays an escaved covict, and he ends up helping a group of Nuns build a church in the desert somewhere. I cant remember the title. "Baghdad Cafe is a interesting movie. (A little bit arthouse though)
And I will always remember "Gone with the Wind" simply because I was trying to take two girls out on the same night.

The idea was to take one to see GWTW after a dinner, get her home after the movies before 12 like her parents requested, and then rush out and pick up the other one after she finished work as a waitress and go night clubbing.. Touble was "Gone with the Wind" turned out to be longer than I thought, and everything turned to custard (One day I had two girlfriends and the next I had none):(
 

solarz

Brigadier
The idea was to take one to see GWTW after a dinner, get her home after the movies before 12 like her parents requested, and then rush out and pick up the other one after she finished work as a waitress and go night clubbing.. Touble was "Gone with the Wind" turned out to be longer than I thought, and everything turned to custard (One day I had two girlfriends and the next I had none):(

That's what you get for not checking out the movie length first. :rofl:

How did those girls find out though? Didn't you come up with some excuse for being late?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
No, I'm saying that you have a very narrow view of what kinds of movies are allowed in China, and you're basing that view on a very unrepresentative sample of Chinese movies that receive international attention because they were made and marketed to an international audience. Those movies are the product of greed and ignorance, not of censorship laws.

The "problem" I had, if you can call it a problem, is your statement that China only produces "bland historical dramas", which is not true.

Finally, no Chinese leader is going to reform censorship laws just because they like a particular movie.

What I've read is the stuff you're talking about is privately made or not sanctioned by the government which when found out gets stopped. Just like I heard that some small second or third tier city in China, their tv station did a Chinese version of the TV Show 24. All this stuff could be made but when the governement finds out about it they stop it. They control what is shown in movie theaters in China so many movies can be made underground but the government prevents it from being shown in China or distributed outside China for commercial business.

There is pressure for China to change the rules. Because of how movies like Avatar, 2012, and Transformers making more money than any other Chinese film, Chinese filmmakers have been complaining because those rules prevent them from making those kinds of movies and considers it an embarrassment that foreign movies beat Chinese movies in China. Kung Fu Panda outraged Chinese filmmakers that it was an American movie company making a Chinese story and not them. And why they can't make those movies is because they're fantasy films breaking rule No.4. On top of this revelation if true that the next leader of China is critical of Chinese movies, the government is pouring money into the entertainment industry including investment in Hollywood only adds the chance there might be change ahead. Also because of the WTO ruling against China, China is going to have to let more foreign movies shown in China. The government is not going allow foreign films to monopolize the China market by continuing to restrict their filmmakers on rules that don't apply to foreign films.
 

solarz

Brigadier
What I've read is the stuff you're talking about is privately made or not sanctioned by the government which when found out gets stopped. Just like I heard that some small second or third tier city in China, their tv station did a Chinese version of the TV Show 24. All this stuff could be made but when the governement finds out about it they stop it. They control what is shown in movie theaters in China so many movies can be made underground but the government prevents it from being shown in China or distributed outside China for commercial business.

No, just no. All the movies and tv-series I talked about are very popular, widespread, and some of them are produced by CCTV.

There is pressure for China to change the rules. Because of how movies like Avatar, 2012, and Transformers making more money than any other Chinese film, Chinese filmmakers have been complaining because those rules prevent them from making those kinds of movies and considers it an embarrassment that foreign movies beat Chinese movies in China. Kung Fu Panda outraged Chinese filmmakers that it was an American movie company making a Chinese story and not them. And why they can't make those movies is because they're fantasy films breaking rule No.4.

For the last time, there are PLENTY of fantasy films in China. Plenty!

Also, don't take what Western media reports as the attitude of Chinese netizens to be facts. Chinese netizens, like people on the internet everywhere, are a vocal minority. It's true that the Chinese animation industry sucks, and people may lament this fact after seeing Kung Fu Panda, but saying that Chinese filmmakers cannot make successful movies is just wrong.

Western movies make more money not because they're better in quality (which, since you mention 2012 and Transformers, you should be well aware of), but because these big-budget special-effects extravaganza are more fun to watch on the big screen, while other excellent and popular movies that don't use special effects (such as Fei cheng wu rao) do not attract as many people to the theatre. (Did you know that movie tickets cost upwards of 60-100 RMB? Most working class Chinese would never want to spend that kind of money when pirated DVDs are available on the street corner for 2 RMB.)

The effects of censorship in China works differently from what you think. You have to remember that in China, the Law is always flexible. When you're a big producer like Zhang Yimou, Feng Xiaogang, or CCTV, you can take more liberties than you could if you're a small, independent producer. Censorship in China is like a hill: if you're influential enough and you don't carry too much bagage, then you can move over it. If you're a small-time filmmaker, and you don't know the right people, then chances are, your movie is going to get shut down by the bureaucracy.

All that means it's the same people who are making all those movies, and obviously, they will keep making the same styles of movies.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Bladerunner, my favorite old films (1960 and back) are in, no particular order are..

Angels With Dirty Faces (1939).. James Cagney..I've seen this film so many times I know the dialogue.

The Roaring 20s (1939).. James Cagney

The Grapes of Wrath (1939) ...Henry Fonda

The Four Feathers (1939) ..C. Aubrey Smith, John Clements, Ralph Richardson. Awesome movie.

Casablanca (1941) ..Humphrey Bogart

Scarface (1932) .... Paul Muni, George Raft, Boris Karloff

I am a fugitive from a Chain Gang..(1932)...Paul Muni

The Wizard of Oz (1939)... Judy Garland, Ray Bolger

The African Queen (1951) ...Humphrey Bogart, Katharine Hepburn

Stalag 17 (1953) ... William Holden, Otto Preminger, Peter Graves

Dragonwyck (1946)...Gene Tierney, Walter Huston and Vincent Price, mesmerizing film!!

Thunder Road (1958) ....Robert Mitchum

Sink the Bismarck! (1960) ...Kenneth More and Dana Wynter

The Enemy Below (1957)...Robert Mitchum, Curt Jürgens, David Hedison and Theodore Bikel...Best War movie ever!

Imitation of Life (1959) ..Lana Turner, Juanita Moore & John Gavin.. the greatest tear jerker of all time.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
No, just no. All the movies and tv-series I talked about are very popular, widespread, and some of them are produced by CCTV.



For the last time, there are PLENTY of fantasy films in China. Plenty!

Also, don't take what Western media reports as the attitude of Chinese netizens to be facts. Chinese netizens, like people on the internet everywhere, are a vocal minority. It's true that the Chinese animation industry sucks, and people may lament this fact after seeing Kung Fu Panda, but saying that Chinese filmmakers cannot make successful movies is just wrong.

Western movies make more money not because they're better in quality (which, since you mention 2012 and Transformers, you should be well aware of), but because these big-budget special-effects extravaganza are more fun to watch on the big screen, while other excellent and popular movies that don't use special effects (such as Fei cheng wu rao) do not attract as many people to the theatre. (Did you know that movie tickets cost upwards of 60-100 RMB? Most working class Chinese would never want to spend that kind of money when pirated DVDs are available on the street corner for 2 RMB.)

The effects of censorship in China works differently from what you think. You have to remember that in China, the Law is always flexible. When you're a big producer like Zhang Yimou, Feng Xiaogang, or CCTV, you can take more liberties than you could if you're a small, independent producer. Censorship in China is like a hill: if you're influential enough and you don't carry too much bagage, then you can move over it. If you're a small-time filmmaker, and you don't know the right people, then chances are, your movie is going to get shut down by the bureaucracy.

All that means it's the same people who are making all those movies, and obviously, they will keep making the same styles of movies.

Not many in the Western world write about the Chinese film industry. So I'm not getting my information from them. Just like how you get to pick and choose who's really Chinese or not, it's probably pretty much the same with whoever is in charge in China on what movies gets made. The rules bend according to the person in charge at the time. And look at those Chinese movies that get a lot of Western attention but the government pulls them out of awards contention. Those movies are made in China and yet go against the rules. Why? Because they skirted government sanction by some way and made their movie. All your examples may be fantasy but they also probably falls under Chinese literature which seem to be okay by the rules.

Your'e contradicting yourself.

The effects of censorship in China works differently from what you think. You have to remember that in China, the Law is always flexible. When you're a big producer like Zhang Yimou, Feng Xiaogang, or CCTV, you can take more liberties than you could if you're a small, independent producer. Censorship in China is like a hill: if you're influential enough and you don't carry too much bagage, then you can move over it. If you're a small-time filmmaker, and you don't know the right people, then chances are, your movie is going to get shut down by the bureaucracy.

If Chinese filmakers are not restricted to rules as you've been arguing then there is no favoritism or nepotism as you described happens here. Why is it that Chinese filmmakers can't make movies like in the US is because you just have to look at that list of rules.

Zhang Yimou just did a remake of the Coen Brothers Blood Simple but he set it in the Chinese historical past. You wanna know probably why he couldn't set the movie in modern day? Because in that context it would come across as a message about Chinese society today which breaks the rules.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
That's what you get for not checking out the movie length first. :rofl:

How did those girls find out though? Didn't you come up with some excuse for being late?

It was a very long time ago, and in those days movies finished 30 mins before the last bus at around 11pm and all business apart from a few exemptions had to be closed by 12. A couple of nightclubs had dispensation to carry on to 2am , but no new customers were admitted after 1. On that basis I thought I had the times covered but was unaware that this theatre had been given dispendsation to run a little over time because of the movie length.

I never did get to see my second date, she gave up waiting. My first date lived a comfortable walk from the theatre and thats what we ended up doing. Anyway to cut a long story short, the first girls dad dropped me off home, which was futher away from the direction i wanted to go and by late Sunday no-one was speaking to me. Not only that I was also getting a earbashing from another one of the first girls sisters who had married one of my cousins. Anyway the whole escapade was good enough for one of those cheesy HK chinese dramas that my father shows. Auckland , NZds largest city probably at a rough guess had about 6-700 Chinese families and we virtually all know or was aware of each other, especially if we were around the same age group, so when I used the a public phone to ring up the restaurant to leave a message to the girl telling her i would be late, someone there knew there must have known me,and made the connection with what was happening.

AS a interest my father use to show Chinese movies from Hong Kong/ China every second Sunday as a commercial hobby ,I made full use of the opportunity for ringing up families that made up the Chinese community as regarding contact addresses and phone number where possible for the mailing of newsletters etc and chatting to the girls, so yip everybody knew who I was.

Also as it turned out, the two girls were connected by their respective brothers and sisters being married to each other. and the other girl had come over from Fiji to study at Uni and was staying with them. Lacking a NZ accent I knew she wasnt a local so I thought I would be pretty safe.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Also as it turned out, the two girls were connected by their respective brothers and sisters being married to each other. and the other girl had come over from Fiji to study at Uni and was staying with them. Lacking a NZ accent I knew she wasnt a local so I thought I would be pretty safe.

LOL, that's just some bad luck right there!
 
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