Movies in General

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I doubt it. Xi Jinping has said that he likes American war movies because good always triumphs over evil at the end, and that he finds Chinese movies does not promote those values enough.

Those movies would never be made in China because of the restrictions Chinese filmmakers have. If he's criticizing Chinese cinema for what movies they make, that says something.

He also liked The Departed which is a movie that would never be made in China because it's not black and white. It also delves into glorifying criminals. Something they would never make in China. They banned Ocean's 11 movies from being shown in China for that reason. And that was more fantasy comedy which is light than The Departed being very dark.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Those movies would never be made in China because of the restrictions Chinese filmmakers have. If he's criticizing Chinese cinema for what movies they make, that says something.

He also liked The Departed which is a movie that would never be made in China because it's not black and white. It also delves into glorifying criminals. Something they would never make in China. They banned Ocean's 11 movies from being shown in China for that reason. And that was more fantasy comedy which is light than The Departed being very dark.

The problem is, Xi is criticizing Chinese cinema for not doing enough to promote what he thinks are positive values. This does not sound like a man who wants to loosen the restrictions on filmmakers. Quite the contrary!
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The problem is, Xi is criticizing Chinese cinema for not doing enough to promote what he thinks are positive values. This does not sound like a man who wants to loosen the restrictions on filmmakers. Quite the contrary!

I don't think you understand what kind of movies are only allowed to be made in China. They don't want anything depicted one side or another. Even good vs evil. No fantasy. No science fiction. No suspension of disbelief. No patriotism. Even no portraying another nation negatively in a fictional scenario. That's why all their movies are historical dramas with personal conflicts between individuals only based on personal flaws and not from outside influences. Of course they dare to cross the line sometimes but still as neutral as possible. Anything from their dull absolutely neutral movies they make now.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I don't think you understand what kind of movies are only allowed to be made in China. They don't want anything depicted one side or another. Even good vs evil. No fantasy. No science fiction. No suspension of disbelief. No patriotism. Even no portraying another nation negatively in a fictional scenario. That's why all their movies are historical dramas with personal conflicts between individuals only based on personal flaws and not from outside influences. Of course they dare to cross the line sometimes but still as neutral as possible. Anything from their dull absolutely neutral movies they make now.

What diet of Chinese movies/tv-series have you been feeding on?

"Journey to the West" is not a fantasy eh? No good vs evil? How about "Feng Shen Bang", or "White Snake"?

How much "personal flaws" and "moral ambiguity" do you find in Wuxia flicks?

Japanese war movies like "Liang Jian", "Da Dao" don't depict one side or another eh? No patriotism in there eh? No portraying another nation negatively? Japan isn't even the only target. There are Vietnam war movies (the Chinese one) too.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Does anyone else feel that this new "Karate Kid" movie felt so fake? It's not a bad movie, but the depiction of Chinese in the movie was still heavily stereotyped.

- The lead girl goes to watch a shadow-puppet show and says the legend of niu lang zhi nv is her favorite story. How many 12 yo do you know would do or say that?

- The lead girl again, acts so shy before dancing on that DDR machine, then she starts dancing like a pro.

- A martial arts school teacher who encourages his students to injure each other. How does he not get his pants sued off???



They even get the dates all mixed up. They go from near October 1st at the beginning of the movie (there's a sign saying preparing to celebrate National Day), jumps to qi xi (July 7th on lunar calendar, which would've been around August) later on, and then back to July (solar calendar) when Jackie Chan wrecks his car.

Creative license:D:D


- The Jaden kid runs around China without any money on him, yet the lead girl somehow falls for him. :rofl:

Its one of the messages in the film. "The director is making a stand against one of Deng's maxims "To get rich is glorious" theres a moral in every story:D
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
What diet of Chinese movies/tv-series have you been feeding on?

"Journey to the West" is not a fantasy eh? No good vs evil? How about "Feng Shen Bang", or "White Snake"?

How much "personal flaws" and "moral ambiguity" do you find in Wuxia flicks?

Japanese war movies like "Liang Jian", "Da Dao" don't depict one side or another eh? No patriotism in there eh? No portraying another nation negatively? Japan isn't even the only target. There are Vietnam war movies (the Chinese one) too.

The latest Journey to the West is a Hong Kong movie, isn't it? Hong Kong moviemakers aren't under the same rules and face the same access restrictions as a foreign film maker.

Here are the rules posted on a Chinese movies film site Monkeypeaches.

The following are not prohibited in films:

1. Violations against the fundamental principle of the Constitution;

2. Threats against the national unification and the integrity of the (national) sovereignty and (national) territory.

3. Leaking of national secrets, violation against the national security and harming the national honors and national interests.

4. Inciting ethic hatred and ethic discrimination, harming ethnic solidarity of ethic groups, and volition of ethic customs and traditions;

5. Volition of the national policies on religions and preaching cult believes and superstitions;

6. Disturbing social orders and harming the social stability;

7. Promoting obseneness, gambling and violence and abetting crimes;

8. Humiliating or slandering other individuals and violating legal rights and interests of other individuals;

9. Harming social morality and playing down good national cultural heritages;

10. Others which prohibited by relevant national laws and regulations.

The following must be deleted or altered:

1. Misinterpretation of Chinese cultural and Chinese history, severely deviating the historical facts, misinterpretation of other countries?histories; disrespecting other countries?cultures, customs and traditions; dispraising revolutionary leaders, heroes and important historical figures; falsifying famous Chinese and foreign literature works and the portraying of important figures of the literature works;

2. Maliciously dispraising the image of the People? Liberation Army, the Armed Police, the police and the justice entities;

3. Contents of obseneness, pornography and bad-tastes, depicting scenes of prurience, sexual violations, prostitution, solicitation, sexual activities, sexual perversion, homosexuality, masturbation, etc.; and the sexual organs and other parts of men and women; contents of indecent and bad-tasting dialogues, songs, background music and sound effects;

4. Contents of murders, violence, horrors, ghosts and demons, supernaturalism, etc; value orientations confusing the real and the fake, the innocent and the evil, and the beautiful and the ugly; confusing the basic natures of the righteous and the non-righteous; deliberately depicting the terror of criminal activities, depicting the details of criminal actives, exposing special techniques of criminal investigations; plots with murders, bloodiness, violence, drug-taking, gambling (etc.), which are strongly stimulating; plots of torturing of POWs, torturing criminals, suspects, etc. to extort confessions; shots, dialogues, background music or sound effects, which are overly horrifying;

5. Preaching negative and decadent philosophies, opinions of the world and values; deliberately glamorizing and exaggerating the ignorance and backward development of various ethic groups or the dark side of the society;

6. Preaching religious extremism, inciting the tension and conflict between religions, religious sects as well as religious believers and non-religious believers, which harm the feelings of the public;

7. Preaching destroying the environment, torturing of animals, poaching and eating nationally protected animals;

8. Overly depicting alcoholism, tobacco smoking and other bad habits;

9. Violating of the principles of relevant law and regulations.
That basically sums up not to be offensive in any form, domestic and foreign. The Departed breaks probably half those rules. As for the others movies you pointed out, I don't know all, but I bet they skirted them most likely because there's some Hong Kong or Taiwan connection. China allows foreign made films shown in China to violate these rules.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Journey to the West is a Hong Kong movie, isn't it? Hong Kong moviemakers aren't under the same rules and face the same access restrictions as a foreign film maker.

Dude... and all this time, I thought you were Chinese? :)

"Journey to the West" is like the most famous Mainland tv-series ever, produced in the 80's and still beloved today.

Now, if you're judging Chinese movies based on the ones that make it to international stage (which, unfortunately, most of them have aspirations to), then you are partly right. Those movies tend to be bland because it's Chinese directors trying to make movies that suit what they think are foreign tastes.

However, that is greed and ignorance at work, and not censorship laws.

Back to the original point, I don't think Xi Jinping will be relaxing China's censorship any time soon. Those laws might even get tightened under him, if his attitude is any indication.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
^^ all this discussion about movies.:rolleyes:. That's why I like leave your brain at the box office moives.:D

ps I do love the films made in the late 30's, 40s and early 50s. Terrfic films.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Dude... and all this time, I thought you were Chinese? :)

"Journey to the West" is like the most famous Mainland tv-series ever, produced in the 80's and still beloved today.

Now, if you're judging Chinese movies based on the ones that make it to international stage (which, unfortunately, most of them have aspirations to), then you are partly right. Those movies tend to be bland because it's Chinese directors trying to make movies that suit what they think are foreign tastes.

However, that is greed and ignorance at work, and not censorship laws.

Back to the original point, I don't think Xi Jinping will be relaxing China's censorship any time soon. Those laws might even get tightened under him, if his attitude is any indication.


Are you ignoring the rules I just posted or do you think I made them up? Are you actually questioning if I'm Chinese? Are you one of those that has strict rules on who you consider Chinese or not? Then look no further on the example who imposes the strictness of rules. I don't know what situation fits with what circumstance for past productions but those are the rules. You take a look at the movies coming out of China and they are mostly historical dramas that just look pretty. That's it.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Are you ignoring the rules I just posted or do you think I made them up? Are you actually questioning if I'm Chinese? Are you one of those that has strict rules on who you consider Chinese or not? Then look no further on the example who imposes the strictness of rules. I don't know what situation fits with what circumstance for past productions but those are the rules. You take a look at the movies coming out of China and they are mostly historical dramas that just look pretty. That's it.

Chill dude, I'm not questioning if you're Chinese, but you're obviously not very familiar with mainland culture if you're not aware of "Journey to the West". :)

The rules you posted say nothing of having to produce bland historical dramas, or can you highlight some rules that you think would prevent making movies that are, as you said, "fantasy", "promote patriotism or cast another nation in a negative light", "good vs evil", etc?

And like I said, you're only looking at "movies coming out of China".
 
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