Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

There is no reason to believe Iran and North Korea are insane, just because they don't kowtow to the US.
The people certainly are not...no more than in any other large country with varied demographics. The leaders, that's anopther issue. People can decide for themselves...but if they would employ nuclear weapons as a first resort in any situation short of an existing fight that has already claimed tens of millions and was used as a litroal weapon of last resort...and particularly in the face of a foe who has an insurmountable advantage in that area...I would say that their thinking, at the very least, is severly clouded and or diminished. No kowtowing necessary for that...just common sense.

As to Geographicer saying the answer is vague...I do not think so. I indicated EMPs in response...and also indicated that a first use of those weaons would be very risky to the point of craziness as just explained. You try and avoid to playing to your opponents absolute advantage and give them any reasson to employ that advantage.

Depending on where and how a nuclear EMP device were employed, it would do exactly that.

But...this discussion is clearly drifting towards areas best avoided from a moderator standpoint. I've stated my opinion and will just leave at that at this point. You folks can continue if you so desire, but I've said all I intend to say.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

you don;t need a nuclear device to generate an EMP pulse.
I understand that. The US has several non-nuclear options to do so. That's why I indicated that if they used a nuclear device to do so that it would be very risky...and it would also be undeniable and, if deliverd by ballistic missile, easily identifiable as to the source.

Bottom line is that US naval combatants are hardened against such a device in any case.

It's most likely target is against civilian and unprotected military infrastructure.
 

paintgun

Senior Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

It should be noted that X-47B has an all composite frame and body which will make it even harder to detect by radar. Note also that the aircraft is designed by Northrop-Grumman, the same company that designed the B2. From certain angles it looks like a little B2

X-47B and it's future iterations will be a headache for Chinese planners and strategic thinker, and add the NGB into the mix, it's the march of the machines coming for China

one thing PLA has to do to offset this is to develop and operate a robust ISR capability, only then it can think of countering this move
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

X-47B and it's future iterations will be a headache for Chinese planners and strategic thinker, and add the NGB into the mix, it's the march of the machines coming for China

one thing PLA has to do to offset this is to develop and operate a robust ISR capability, only then it can think of countering this move

Composite body doesn't make a plane transparent to radar . Plus the intervening years since the introduction of stealth, everybody and their brother busy inventing stealth busting radar.

I can think of bi static radar and most and most long wave radar can defeat stealth. Powerfull AESA can also detect radar albeir at shorter distance.

KJ 2000 has anti stealth radar As i say before UAV and UCAV can only work if you can maintain air superiority over the contested area and that is not so sure over west Asia theater of operation Just read RAND report

Unmanned aircraft in no way can defeat manned aircraft So I still say this is vaporware A concept weapon at best!

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paintgun

Senior Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Composite body doesn't make a plane transparent to radar . Plus the intervening years since the introduction of stealth, everybody and their brother busy inventing stealth busting radar.

I can think of bi static radar and most and most long wave radar can defeat stealth. Powerfull AESA can also detect radar albeir at shorter distance.

KJ 2000 has anti stealth radar

Unmanned aircraft in no way can defeat manned aircraft So I still say this is vaporware A concept weapon at best!

please don't make me post a facepalm pic hendrik :p

and also please i don't want to have any arguing, peace buddy peace, i'll post no more about x-47B okay
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

X-47B sounds great, but it still acts like a UCAV, meaning needing satellites to operate it. Don't you think an adversary with the capability to knock down satellites would hinder this almost obsolete? No satellites, therefore no operational control and no chance of taking off.
 

NikeX

Banned Idiot
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

"I can think of bi static radar and most and most long wave radar can defeat stealth. Powerfull AESA can also detect radar albeir at shorter distance."


If your statement is true then that means the J-20 will be obsolete long before it reaches operational capability
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

"I can think of bi static radar and most and most long wave radar can defeat stealth. Powerfull AESA can also detect radar albeir at shorter distance."


LOL...or ALL upcoming stealth fighters in production or planning stage in every country!

If your statement is true then that means the J-20 will be obsolete long before it reaches operational capability
 

paintgun

Senior Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

okay this about ucav so...

equation, the answer is probably no or not as severe, IMO satellite data relay on UAVs such as Global Hawk and smaller Reapers/Predators is used to transmit high volume data such as imagery or live video, the communication and information infrastructure for UCAVs such as the X-47B will be more like datalinks in fighter aircraft/AEW aircrafts, only relying on satellite for GPS/INS and telemetry
 
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