Moderated Taiwan Invasion Wargame
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your german seems to be better than my englishSeacraft said:Und Sczepan - Meine Duetsch ist SEHR schlecht - Ich habe so viel vergessen. Aber, diese tag Ich habe dreizehn fischen anglen aber alles war zu kleine fur essen...
Hope that made sense - haven't used my Deutsh since drei und achtzig
poor fishes - to small to eat and beeing fished with a lot of pains; hope your mad first aid and return them into the water
back to the game:
so in 2008 they are president elections in the USA! The crisis 2008 is before electing.t_co said:
Did the US people know that?Seacraft said:
(If not:
the opinion poll rating ar falling rapidly, 'cause the people think, the presid. doesn't act.)
The president is offering a adressing within 6 hours.
Also the german kanzler will have a speech the same time.
The chinese ambassadors in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, New Sealand, UK and the US have reserved the same time in forreign ministery.
Some visitors say:
1) the west australian Navy, located in Perth, was leaving the harbour going NNW
2) Italian, French and British Navy are leaving the harbours
3) an unidentifacated Navy force was passing the Channal of Suez,going south
4) an unidentificated CBG was passing Singapore going east
5) HMS BULWARK passed Singapore going east
6) a lot of Navy ships passed the Channal of Panama, going west
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Gentlemen,
I must say that I have been VERY impressed with the discussions on this board. Compliments indeed.
This all the more because you kicked the gates wide open for a plan I've had for a long while.
IF I break a rule by doing so I appoligise, but the oportunity was just too good.
I would like to invite you to a moderated PBEM game which simulates a possible war between an alliance of the Moscow Pact (consisting of the PRC and Russia) and the Western World.
If interested please send a mail to: [email protected]
NOTE 1: It takes place in 2007 and some political alliances have shifted.
NOTE 2: I am not looking for players who's attitude is: "I win because the USA is beter." or "My milions of soldiers will swamp the Taiwanese defenses." I have a sound understanding of current militairy matters and my job as a GM will be to keep things REALISTIC.
NOTE 3: Nuclear war means that ALL have lost.
John
Just wondering.
Have you folks considered the fact that if Taiwan would stage a 'pre-emptive strike' then the USA would more or less be forced to stay independant because of the public opinion?
Also, what about the UN in such a case?
I must say that I have been VERY impressed with the discussions on this board. Compliments indeed.
This all the more because you kicked the gates wide open for a plan I've had for a long while.
IF I break a rule by doing so I appoligise, but the oportunity was just too good.
I would like to invite you to a moderated PBEM game which simulates a possible war between an alliance of the Moscow Pact (consisting of the PRC and Russia) and the Western World.
If interested please send a mail to: [email protected]
NOTE 1: It takes place in 2007 and some political alliances have shifted.
NOTE 2: I am not looking for players who's attitude is: "I win because the USA is beter." or "My milions of soldiers will swamp the Taiwanese defenses." I have a sound understanding of current militairy matters and my job as a GM will be to keep things REALISTIC.
NOTE 3: Nuclear war means that ALL have lost.
John
Just wondering.
Have you folks considered the fact that if Taiwan would stage a 'pre-emptive strike' then the USA would more or less be forced to stay independant because of the public opinion?
Also, what about the UN in such a case?
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after 6 day of crisis, lets talk a little about the oeconomical results:
1) the change-rate of US-$ and all participants of the conflict was falling rapidly;
2) international shipping firms ar going to leave the crises aerea - this means the chinese coasts; they don't want to loose there ships in a conflict.
2a) as a result the chinese imports (oil) are reduced
2b) as a result the chinese exports can't be shipped
(thats without blockade of interventions troops).
2c) chinese factories like german leaded electronic company "Wickmann" (chinese "Weiwen Dianqui"), textil factorys (producing for Piere Cardin and Nike...., Ningbo), lighter factorys (Wenzhou), BenQ (producing Monitors for HP or Thomson, Suzhou) ... and a lot more can't send there goods out - so they ar going to close and send the workers home.
3) after a first run to shop stocks most stores in Australia, EU and USA don't got more goods
3a) Wal-Mart, which import a lot of goods, is nearly sold-out
3b) also "non chines made" products can't be produced more. For example the "Sonicare Elite 7000" electrical tooth-brush, is produced with taiwanese batterys and chinese made platines and cooper-coils.
4) The international producents ar looking to open replacements. They ar in negotiations esp. with Brazil, Indian and (South-)African companies, also national american and european factorys ar going to produce substitutes ....
China or USA vetoing each of the results;
1) the change-rate of US-$ and all participants of the conflict was falling rapidly;
2) international shipping firms ar going to leave the crises aerea - this means the chinese coasts; they don't want to loose there ships in a conflict.
2a) as a result the chinese imports (oil) are reduced
2b) as a result the chinese exports can't be shipped
(thats without blockade of interventions troops).
2c) chinese factories like german leaded electronic company "Wickmann" (chinese "Weiwen Dianqui"), textil factorys (producing for Piere Cardin and Nike...., Ningbo), lighter factorys (Wenzhou), BenQ (producing Monitors for HP or Thomson, Suzhou) ... and a lot more can't send there goods out - so they ar going to close and send the workers home.
3) after a first run to shop stocks most stores in Australia, EU and USA don't got more goods
3a) Wal-Mart, which import a lot of goods, is nearly sold-out
3b) also "non chines made" products can't be produced more. For example the "Sonicare Elite 7000" electrical tooth-brush, is produced with taiwanese batterys and chinese made platines and cooper-coils.
4) The international producents ar looking to open replacements. They ar in negotiations esp. with Brazil, Indian and (South-)African companies, also national american and european factorys ar going to produce substitutes ....
hectic negotiations;LongJohn79 said:
China or USA vetoing each of the results;
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Seacraft
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No, your English is significantly better than my German. Ich aheb drei jahre ins Stuttgart gehwont - drei un achtzig bis sechs und ahctzig - Amerikanishe Gymnasium/Hoch Schule....Sczepan said:your german seems to be better than my english
poor fishes - to small to eat and beeing fished with a lot of pains; hope your mad first aid and return them into the water
As for the fish - they don't feel the pain as we and other mammals would feel pain - they do not have the nervous system for that, and contrary to what the PETA folks would have have you think, lobsters don't scream when you cook them.... Also back to the game
YES, the US people were outraged, as much for the images of the burning 747 as the invasion of another free "country" (as Taiwan is often viewed as by the American people). This is also on the eve of the Bejing Olympics... But I am confused as we still appear in May 2006 or May 2008 - do we split the difference and say May 07??
For the first time in a long time, the message is clear: "End Hostilities - do not allow for escalation" "A Battle in the Strait serves no one"..
WEN? said:
Nope, other than possible special forces units in a very small mission based manner on PRC soil, possible location of foreign troops on Taiwan soil only (stationing some foreign Patriot batteriess and/or the 82nd Airborne / Marine EU) and even that is a stretch. No country would in its right mind look to want to invade mainland china - just not doable (as it is not doable for someone to invade the US, Canada, Aus, Russia, etc). It is also not necessary as the goal is to keep the PRC from forcibly assimilating the ROC. The goal is to allow for peaceful and SELF determined unification in the future.
I think Taiwan employing a Pre-emptive strike in the first place is ludicrous as that will certainly diminish any world support, particularly that of the US - not to mention nullifying any treaty / defense acts. Partly why - in this game - I had to come up with a sufficient reason that other nations would come to aid Taiwan. The airport raids that inadvertantly killed many civilians.
Seacraft
New Member
darth sidious said:
They are also in storage because of the natural weather effects that impacts the condition of the planes - of course this happens to both coastal regions on obth sides of the straits, complicatiing maintenance and reliability of BOTH air units. And those missing skilled pilots have left their training facilities at Luke AFB in Arizona (where half of the world trains it's military pilots, German, Saudi, ROC, JDSF for example) and are ferrying their aircraft (less the 4 ac down for maintenance issues) on the 7000 mile journey from Luke AFB to dispersal fields on Taiwan, makeshit highway sections (can't bomb or BM every 200 feet of highway). It is a long go but the ROCAF in the process of bringing nearly two additional squadrons of F16A (upgraded to F16C equivalent) and Mirage 2000 aircraft back in theater. Thankfully, the US has collected all of it's tanker units not utilized in critical missions in other parts of the world, and has amassed a force of nearly 80 high speed and 15 low speed (HC130) tanker aircraft to support this mass deployment of aircraft.
In a stunning case of deploying radically new aircraft, the sole ABL 747, having just completed COIL test somewhere between Los Angelos and Las Vegs :rofl: , and manned by a part Air Force, part civilian crew, has left Edwards AFB and is heading "west".
But not the naval grumble nor the Sandbox AShM
With what? How many tankers does the PLAAF/PLAN have now? Less than 10? Mostly converted H6 Badgers? How many more in a year or two?
Is this "mace" something documented? theorized? or fantacised? What is it's range and accuracy?
I think wie should not change the rules; the first post was very clear:Seacraft said:... But I am confused as we still appear in May 2006 or May 2008 - do we split the difference and say May 07??
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thats was the basic of my posts, also the basic about both US-CBGs in japanese waters, the new New Zealand Navy ships and so on.t_co said:
I'll send you the first edition of german chanzellors speech to your information (I think you will act as US-President).
It may be postet public within 3 hrs now.
The german chanellor is also going to speak in the name of EU president
Slowenia Januar - Juni 2008
France Juli - Dezember 2008.