Moderated Taiwan Invasion Wargame

Are the players set or are we fluid, and can we switch sides?

Cuz I have plans for both sides and is itching to post a move.

By Brian Hsu
STAFF REPORTER
Monday, May 20, 2002,Page 2

The US agreed last month to sell to Taiwan high-speed anti-radiation missiles (HARMs), a counter to China's radar sites along the coastline, defense sources said yesterday.
The platform for the HARM is the F-16 fighter plane, which already has an interface for the operation of the missile.

The missile would be used mainly against the radars for the Russian-made S-300 air defense systems deployed in Fujian Province, which faces Taiwan across the Strait.

I launched more than a 100 F-16 and 40+ mirage 2000 in this attack. If you guys are claiming this is suicide and cannot be done you are either on another planet or dreaming. You guys are completely underestamating The ROC military ability.

F-16 Falcon USA -- -- -- 146
Mirage 2000 France 57
IDF Ching-kuo -- --128
F-5 USA 90+

I HAVE MORE THAN 400+ COMBAT AIRCRAFT. THIS IS NO SMALL FORCE. 200 OF THESE ARE GOOD MODERN PLANES.

Is it even there yet? I mean, has it arrive in Taiwan, or is it stored in Hawaii with the AIM-120? I guess it's shipped since Taiwan needs to counter the S-300s and HQ-9s.
But how much missiles are there? Doubt it's a lot.

So result(I guess I will be the moderator for now?): 10 Mirages and 25 Falcons lost (The number of SAMs is not just 10.) on ROC's side. 25 ships, 15 radars and 5 missile batteries destroyed on PRC's side.

Just a reminder, there are no nukes involved, I know. so dont mention it. China will not intend to nuke taiwan. Any ways, this will probably be more of a sea battle with surface combatants and subs. Ofcorse China is going to send amfibious transports and deploy land troops. Man sumdud, the ROC is going to lose way more than that to destroy all those weapons on the PRC's side. By the way, you guys havent mentioned the Americans yet, didnt they voule to protect taiwan if China attacks?

Ok sumdud that sounds like reasonable figures. I think it would be neat if you did like

CNN date line 2008. In a massive preemptive strike The ROC has reportedly sunk more than a dozen PRC warships while at the same time taking huge losses in aircraft.......just a thought

Well, America said that they will not help Taiwan if Taiwan declared independence, and I trust that they keep their promise in this case, since an independent Taiwan does not exactly fit America's wish.

I don't know if Japan will come and help and use the words "Regional security" as a reason.................
Actually, they most probably will now that I think of it..

So, Ute and Crazy, agree on the result?
(And mind if I join the game?)
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Dang, I am too slow here.....

Now, the damage done to the PRC would be quite great, but the PRC has much more resources than the ROC. Like Sumdud said, I would probably expect a dozen or so ships to be destroyed (if they have Block II Harpoons, make that number two dozen). Unless I know how many HARMs the ROC has, I won't comment on the number of SAM batteries lost. However, I know for a fact that Taiwan's Aim-120's are stored in Hawaii so the ROC would take huge losses before being able to engage in WVR combat. This includes casualties from China's air defense destroyers and nearby SAM batteries. So if 140 aircraft are used and none of them have BVR missiles, about half would return back to base. PRC aircraft losses wouldn't be nearly as great since they can just fire 20 miles away at ROC aircraft. Also, in WVR engagements, do Taiwan's aircraft have HMS? If not, that can even be more problematic.

And while this large air battle is taking place, it would be the perfect time for China to launch its ballistic and cruise missiles against ROC's airbases. Wiping out the landing strips and control towers would make it quite difficult for many of those planes to land back.

Yeah, I guess my results are about the same as Sumdud's. And Sumdud, please do join.

I have ordered the ROC aircraft to continue taking aggresive strike missons against targets on the PRC mainland and naval assets mainly with the 200+ IDF and F-5. I would now like to retain the remaining high end F-16 and Mirage 2000 for Air defence. Many of which should now be despersed to highways and other sparse airfields.

I also start launching Hsiung-Feng missile attacks against larger fixed bases located near Matsu and chinmen. I have launched 12 Hsiung feng missile towards the city center of Amoy and Foochow. This will be reported as erant missiles however the true meaning will be to let the People of china know they are in a war.

CRAZY, no war has been won sitting on your assets. you have to kill people or at least try to.YOU MUST BE AGGRESIVE AND LETHAL. I am a product of U.S military doctrine.

And while you two are sending fighters and missiles against each other.

There will be a small number of submarines outside the harbor of Taipei and Tainan. And I nearly forgot to mention that there are two submarines going to the East Coast of Taiwan. hehehehehehehehe

(No, Ute, you should not know about this. And you are too busy either way. I'd like to have at least 2 turn undisturbed? =P )

Well, things don't just happens overnight.

While I do agree with what utelore said, I think that's the best chance of Taiwan to put their air asset to its best use. The surprise factor will no work.

Weeks before the election even begins, PRC would've more or less guessed at the outcome of it, and would have prepared to strike/to defend way before the election is over.

Important sites would be fortified, or even moved to new locations(To avoid PB mode HARM), more SAMs brought in, more aircraft divisions moved to the strait. Essential crews would be on stand by mode.

Before giving taiwan the 72 hours warning, PRCs naval asset would already be mobilised to take up defensive positions on strategic points. Air patrols would accompany those ships too. All balistic missiles would be launched at a finger click away. And pilots would be sitting in their aircraft on rotational basis ready to take off at first sign of trouble

So I'm saying that 90% of the attacking force won't even reach Chinese shore. Most casualty would occur in the taiwan straits itself..

MY PLAY as PRC.
After which, the PRC can choose to NOT EVEN attack taiwan, to NOT EVEN launch their BMs, UN security council will definitely be brought in. The chinese would call for sanctions and etc. As ROC will be seen as the agressor the US would be in a hard position to defend them.

Talks will be held, for maybe weeks, the ROC freedom corp/armies would be confused at the political battle ensuing, most will even lost morale, blaming themselves as the agressor.

My agents planted long before the attack would now have the fuel it needs to sway public opinion. The population would be angry at the administration for causing 'shame'/sanctions on taiwan.

And if talks doesnt turn out well, I'll use force to attack. Now after weeks of 'diplomacy' surprise would now be in my hands, morale would be lower on ROC due to the negative international image/pressure/news coverage on them.

All the roadside bombs that utelore took days/weeks to prepare would've been discarded, as life went back to normal during the weeks of diplomacy.