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plawolf

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China is not going to help with a US bailout, quite the contrary, it might actively use the US bailout as an opportunity to dump its own longer term treasuries at full price and use that liquidity to finance asset purchases to hedge against likely USD depreciation as a result of more money printing by the US.

China didn’t just call out the US by name as its effective enemy just to bail them out immediately afterwards.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Everything has a price. I wouldn't like it. And I'm not going to say it's impossible. But even in that hypothetical scenario, I imagine they would extract an extremely large pound of flesh in exchange for it. They haven't had enough time to extricate themselves from USD assets yet. Instead of providing excess liquidity, I am thinking only 50% of the shortfall, and in exchange for unlimited access to EUV, complete withdrawal of all sanctions on all Chinese companies and individuals, etc. the list should be endless.
If the US wants China to help them out this time, sure.

But the price that the US will have to pay would have to be MASSIVE in order to be effective.

1. Complete and permanent lifting of all sanctions and bans against China on every field involved (economic, trade, technology, society, military, etc).

2. Taiwan will submit to absolute, eternal authority of Beijing. The PLA will be stationed on the island on a permanent basis.

3. Complete and permanent withdrawal of US military forces from the First Island Chain, and the complete demilitarization of the Second Island Chain for a period of 50 years.

4. A new international system will be formulated, and a new international rule of order will be established. China will become one of the major decision makers, with equivalent status, authority and power as the US-led West.

Of course, we already know that unless ZTZ-99A tank columns are moving freely across the National Mall of Washington DC, the US would never agree to any of those above. But the fundemental laws of nature will remain the same - Every debt incurred has to be repaid.

Whether the US will repay its debt through reconciliation with China, or be destroyed and fissile apart from within, or be flattened by nuclear hellfire - The choice is for Washington DC to make, not Beijing.
 
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9dashline

Captain
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If the US wants China to help them out this time, sure.

But the price that the US will have to pay would have to be MASSIVE in order to be effective.

1. Complete and permanent lifting of all sanctions and bans against China on every field involved (economic, trade, technology, society, military, etc).

2. Taiwan will submit to absolute, eternal authority of Beijing. The PLA will be stationed on the island on a permanent basis.

3. Complete and permanent withdrawal of US military forces from the First Island Chain, and the complete demilitarization of the Second Island Chain for a period of 50 years.

4. A new international system will be formulated, and a new international rule of order will be established. China will become one of the major decision makers, with equivalent status, authority and power as the US-led West.
This list is wishful thinking...

Back when Trump was Potus, Bannon in an interview on a highchair with Kyle Bass was recommending that US gives China 72 hours to demilitarize the SCS islands and "pack up and go home" or else the US was gonna go in there, flatten it by force, and take it over etc....
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Wishful thinking. China ain't going to "help" the US in any way or under any conditions.

Did everyone miss Xi calling out the US by name and unloading against it? For anyome familiar with Chinese politics, this is as public it gets. Its full on war now
This list is wishful thinking...

Back when Trump was Potus, Bannon in an interview on a highchair with Kyle Bass was recommending that US gives China 72 hours to demilitarize the SCS islands and "pack up and go home" or else the US was gonna go in there, flatten it by force, and take it over etc....
(Added to my previous post)

We already know that unless ZTZ-99A tank columns are moving freely across the National Mall of Washington DC, the US would never agree to any of those above. But the fundemental laws of nature will remain the same - Every debt incurred has to be repaid.

Whether the US will repay its debt through reconciliation with China, or be destroyed and fissile apart from within, or be flattened by nuclear hellfire - The choice is for Washington DC to make, not Beijing.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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taxiya

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Isn't this a bit one sided now? What's Saudi Arabia getting? They're giving up on Syrian regime change, giving up in the war in Yemen and accepting Iran getting money and trade. What's in it for them?
They have lost in Syria years ago. The rebels still holding today are backed by Turkey, or US, not the Arabs.

I don't think the deal means that anyone is giving up Yemen. It is a cease fire right now. The deal only means that they will not resume fighting and should negotiate.

Iran is getting its own money frozen by US. It has nothing to do with Saudi. Trade is bilateral, Saudi is not obliged to trade with Iran if it does not want to.

Remember Saudi is not more innocent than Iran in the rivalry, both sides stopping or halting the confrontation are what both sides get. Saudi does not deserve more than Iran.
 
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