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Bellum_Romanum

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(1) The Tiananmen protest was not a pro-democracy movement. While analyzing the esric data, I found something very interesting and unexpected. Public dissatisfaction with inflation, unemployment, social morale, and government inefficiency skyrocketed during the peak of the urban protests in spring 1989, but the majority of urban residents in October 1988 (54 percent) thought that market reform was going “too fast,” and such “anti-reform” attitudes closely echoed the rise of inflation during the same time. In the meantime, public demand for liberal democratic ideas such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press never surpassed 33 percent, even in May 1989.

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This is one of the most recent academic findings or research done on the Tianmen incident. I don't know why @Mr T keeps harping on this issue but not only that audaciously insisting that your version of Truth is the one objective fact and the rest are just simply CPC revisionist history. Why are people like you, western leaning Libs, have this God complex that everyone in the world must believe and think of the world or issues the way you lads do? The more you push China to become like the west, the more it'll resist. And if there are unsatisfied Chinese western loving Libs, no one is stopping them from moving to whichever western countries they wish to go ans settle. The only they can't do and the overwhelming majority of Chinese people won't stand for is the idea that China become like India - a country that's a mess both politically, economically, and culturally.
 
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Maula Jatt

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Pres.Joe Biden is really showing his age here. He looks and sounds like one of those grandpa's housed in one of those senior's home in America.

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This is so sad to see from the nation of Lincoln, LBJ to nation of Trumps and Bidens

The younger Biden was something but this version is an embarrassment to say the least

He should have just sent the VP...
 

Maula Jatt

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Pakistan what are you doing...
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Lol nevermind. Does Pakistan not have any unbiased qualified person for such an important position. Did they really picked a person who worked in a US propaganda "institution"...


This is true. CPEC has repeatedly faced long delays due to Imran Khan insistence on renegotiating, reviewing it, stalling implementation etc

I dont know why he has delayed CPEC for so long and thus undermining Chinese trust on Pakistan (lol on renegotiating every deal). He should keep in mind though that for every year that CPEC is delayed is a year later that Pakistan would start earning back all these investments from CPEC
He was brought in to counter India propoganda in the west which was resulting in a whole lot of trouble for Pak as Pak still depends a lot on the west for its economy so Pak needed someone with connections and know how of the west to provide a counter narritive to the indian propoganda (which west is increaseangly agreeing to due to thier growing anti-China stance as India is supposed to counter China and Pak is in Chinese camp so they have no issues with wholeheartedly agreeing to Indian propoganda as it's a win-win for tham)

That's why this guy is given this job to use his connections to somehow calm the Americans down and negotiations on the base is also due to this issue (I personally don't think Pak will give the base as local population is really hostile towards US and it's bases so any adventure thier can cost IK an election defeat but Pakistan is also under the pump so it's a tricky situation but I feel Pak people will win Hopefully)

See it as ransom for contitnitued access of Pakistan to western markets

Cause if we don't give tham something useful America will start handing down sanctions to Pakistan like candies on halloween night


As far as CPEC if IK does anything to CPEC he'll be routed out of office hell Parliament itself would probably kick him out before the election as the project is somewhat similar to what we considered our nuclear project to be like - matter of our survival as a country

So it'll be extremely unpopular but what was actually happening was that some sections wanted to centeralize it to a single powerful authority as reccamended by China but this was a foreign idea and was facing criticism by different Pakistani groups who wanted more check and balances in the system but it was slowing down the process so after a year and a half IK took the reccamndation and created a powerful CPEC authority under a chairman appointed by the PM

After that it's back to normal and is going at good speed

So it wasn't really renegotiations per se but the transition of going from a more buerocratic system to a more centeralize one with power
 

emblem21

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This is so sad to see from the nation of Lincoln, LBJ to nation of Trumps and Bidens

The younger Biden was something but this version is an embarrassment to say the least

He should have just sent the VP...
That woman would have made things a whole lot worse, starting from that retarded laugh and the inability to use common sense and basic human decency but then again she would have tore the USA apart quicker so I guess that would’ve been good from a certain stand point. Still the idea of making her Vice President is simply a mega stupid decision no matter how you shake a stick at it because even frighten mike pence is more popular then her
 

Maula Jatt

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That woman would have made things a how little worse, starting from that retarded laugh and the in ability to use common sense and basic human decency but then again she would have tore the USA apart quicker so I guess that would’ve been good from a certain stand point. Still the idea of making her Vice President is simply a mega stupid decision no matter how you shake a stick at it
Yeah US isn't going anywhere tbh...

In the long run we'll end up a 3,4 economy with influence in the Americas but US breaking apart is not true
 

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Lol 40 trillion, why not 400 trillion or 4,000 trillion? They're all about equal likely.
For comparison, US 2002 GDP was 20.6 trillion, so far the total spending on BRI has been a few trillion. Biden tried to get 6 trillion approved for US infrastructure work and GOP has cut him down to 1 trillion.

So yeah, 40 trillion, good one G7.

Tell you what would be funny though, if they do spend a few trillion (unlikely that may be) on development in the 3rd world I wouldn't be surprised it's actual Chinese companies that get the work in the end via outsourcing.
I found the numbers. Over the last 8 years China took on 3.8 trillion USD worth of development under BRI. So that's just under 10% of the 40 trillion that G7 is proposing.

So in other words, suppose that 40 trillion is supposed to be spent over the next 15 years (that's already a long planning horizon for democracies) per the plan, you will need over 5 China sized economy to take on all that building to actually make it happen.

How many Chinas is G7 worth in terms of infrastructure building? Perhaps we could compare high speed rail coverage? Motorway per year? Number of 5G station's so far built? HVDC lines? Automatic ports? Take your pick.
 
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Petrolicious88

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Reports of radiation leakage at Nuclear Plant in Guangdong. Plant is part operated by the French. French has shared data and their concern with the US. National Security Council is assessing the situation.

Any news on this? Has this been confirmed.
 

Aniah

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I found the numbers. Over the last 8 years China took on 3.8 trillion USD worth of development under BRI. So that's just under 10% of the 40 trillion that G7 is proposing.

So in other words, suppose that 40 trillion is supposed to be spent over the next 15 years (that's already a long planning horizon for democracies) per the plan, you will need over 5 China sized economy to take on all that building to actually make it happen.

How many Chinas is G7 worth in terms of infrastructure building? Perhaps we could compare high speed rail coverage? Motorway per year? Number of 5G station's so far built? HVDC lines? Automatic ports? Take your pick.
Yup, even if they manage to get 40 trillion it would still be pointless. They don't have the builders and experience that the Chinese have and you can bet your ass majority of that money will go into some scammer's pockets rather than the project. Reminds me of America dumping a ton of money into Africa but almost none of it made it to the public that it was supposed to go to but rather someone's pockets. Wasn't until the Chinese came that the money actually started to be put to use.
 
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