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now I found it ... Dec 11, 2015
I just noticed at gazeta.ru
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the seven-years minimum of the Brent oil-price reached today (below $39 per barrel); here's an article in English:
Oil futures hit fresh 7-year lows on OPEC production increase
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it's thirty today!
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(I clipped this out from
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EDIT I've read at moments it was below 30)

I know WTI got there already two days ago:
Crude Falls Below $30 a Barrel for the First Time in 12 Years
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Jeff Head

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The recent carrier incident was a sign of things to come if unchecked. I am just surprised that a follow up incident was so close to the one prior. Some political pundit was suggesting it as an attempt to embarrass Obama in his SOU address.

I guess patience is a virtue. Let's see how the WH spin this one.
The latest excuse that they somehow strayed over 50 miles off course into Iranian waters is just more utter nonsense. They are backing away from the mechanical failure reason and now throwing this against the wall to see if it will stick.

On these missions, the planning is in depth. Each vessel has multiple GPS devices and a charted course.

I have a close friend who is a former Lt. Cmdr. in the US Navy SEALs,, he posted the following to his own Facebook page and has given me permission to post the following.

"I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes. I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter. Today, these boats both not only have radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat's icon right on the chart. The claim by Iran that the USN boats "strayed into Iranian waters" is complete bull$‪#‎it‬.

"For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation's claimed territorial waters. The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplainable and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that's why two boats go on these trips and not one! It's called "self-rescue" and it's SOP.

"This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying. The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a "hands up!" situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water. I assume that the Iranians had an English speaker on a loudspeaker to make the demand. This takedown was no accident or coincidence, it was a planned slap across America's face.

"Just watch. The released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and the Iranians will have taken every GPS device, chart-plotter etc off the boats, so that we will not be able to prove where our boats were taken."

The "strayed into Iranian waters" story being put out by Iran and our groveling and appeasing State Dept. is utter and complete BS from one end to the other." - Former Lt. Cmdr, US Navy SEALs
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The latest excuse that they somehow strayed over 50 miles off course into Iranian waters is just more utter nonsense. They are backing away from the mechanical failure reason and now throwing this against the wall to see if it will stick...
Problem is, I can't believe the patrol boats wouldn't fire in self-defense, had the incident clearly occurred international waters, because it would have been either piracy or an act of war. Given that, I lean towards the official story from DoD that our boats accidentally strayed into Iranian waters and the Iranians had the legal right to detain them.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Problem is, I can't believe the patrol boats wouldn't fire in self-defense, had the incident clearly occurred international waters, because it would have been either piracy or an act of war. Given that, I lean towards the official story from DoD that our boats accidentally strayed into Iranian waters and the Iranians had the legal right to detain them.
The quote I gave you was from a Navy SEAL Commander and he covered the scenario. Here's his quote:

SEAL Lt. CMDR said:
This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying. The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a "hands up!" situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water.

I know this guy personally, for about 15 years...he knows his stuff and did this job for over ten years. I have to believe that he knows something about what went down. We see small craft taking the US personnel...but those small craft may have come from larger patrol boats with the kind of firepower he speaks ofr. Against 76mm guns, and at close range, those Riverine craft would be hopelessly outgunned.

I expect they also were either under orders, or received orders, to stand down in those circumstances. That would not be out of line with this administration.

At any rate, people can believe whatever they want to believe.

I am just passing on what an individual whom I have know personally for a long time, and whom I trust...and who did this job for the US Navy...has had to say about it.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Jeff, I don't doubt your Navy Seal friend, and I'm more than willing to believe him. On the other hand, accidents do happen, and it's possible that's the case with the two patrol boats. Is it likely? No. But, we did accidentally bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, right...?

Let's wait for more facts to come out, if Obama back stabbed the navy, and I have no problems believing he would, it will eventually get out.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Jeff, I don't doubt your Navy Seal friend, and I'm more than willing to believe him. On the other hand, accidents do happen, and it's possible that's the case with the two patrol boats. Is it likely? No. But, we did accidentally bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, right...?

Let's wait for more facts to come out, if Obama back stabbed the navy, and I have no problems believing he would, it will eventually get out.
As I said, everyone if free to believe what they want and to wait for as much info to come out as they can retrieve.

In this case, I know people very close to these precise type of operations and a Lt. Commander, who was in charge of planning and executing just these types of missions for the SEALs is about as close to the source as you are going to get.

He is no longer active, and felt the need to speak freely, particularly in light of other things that have happened in the last few years. The people who were active and directly involved in this particular missions will likely be under orders to specifically NOT speak about it for the next ten or more years.
 
As I said, everyone if free to believe what they want and to wait for as much info to come out as they can retrieve.

In this case, I know people very close to these precise type of operations and a Lt. Commander, who was in charge of planning and executing just these types of missions for the SEALs is about as close to the source as you are going to get.

He is no longer active, and felt the need to speak freely, particularly in light of other things that have happened in the last few years. The people who were active and directly involved in this particular missions will likely be under orders to specifically NOT speak about it for the next ten or more years.

Regarding the US patrol boats incident I think it turned out as well as can be going in the direction of de-escalation by both Iran and the US. Would you have preferred an escalation?
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Regarding the US patrol boats incident I think it turned out as well as can be going in the direction of de-escalation by both Iran and the US. Would you have preferred an escalation?

I don't think that was what Jeff meant or imply. It's just there's more to it than that. I think there were warning shots were fired from both side only that the Iranian naval boats had the upper hand in numbers and speed and quite possibly be chasing the Americans into Iran territorial waters know full well the other American boats had an engine problem. I don't know, that's just my theory.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Would you have preferred an escalation?
Is your question serious? Of course I do not "prefer" combat, or war.

But I do want the truth.

And I will tell you some other things I want.

I want US Navy operations to be conducted professionally and skillfully, and for those personnel to be able to defend themselves if set upon, and to understand that their comrades will come to their aide whenever necessary.

I believe those desires are common for any nation's citizens as regards their personnel.

So, please, lets not make something out of this that it is not.
 
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