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tokenanalyst

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AntiDK said:

ASML CEO: Better for China to be dependent than independent. Second-class citizens? (English caption available)​



I can't wait to see the face of those morons when China's lithography machines start rolling out.
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CEO of ASML like Jensen Huang of Nvidia are doing corporate speak to apaciguate the China stooges Hawks to keep the huge Chinese market open to their products. The irony is...they are kind of right.
Without US export controls and the blacklisting of companies like Huawei, the China semiconductor industry thread would had be A LOT shorter.
The idea of companies like SMIC and YMTC using domestic lithography equipment or some domestic processing equipment it would have been seen as crazy.
Nobody would have consider the idea of domestic GPUs for anything that is not niche.
The Big Fund would have been no so big. Most of the money would go more into third generation semiconductors, displays and power electronics.
SMIC would may or may not reached 5nm, personally I think yes, but given that they would have a lack of clients due big Chinese design houses like HiSilicon still fabbing their chips in TSMC and making a huge investment in EUV very risky.
Most China electronic companies like Huawei would be sourcing most of their components, like RF chips and network chips from US companies, paying premium instead of using domestic sources or making their owns.
Huawei would have NEVER enter into semiconductor manufacturing without US sanctions. Huawei entering semiconductor manufacturing was the best thing that ever happened to China semiconductor industry.

A term that I used to use is that China semiconductor industry was big but disjointed, growing but moving slow or nowhere, export controls and even the fear of export controls created some kind of market glue that make the different components of the industry to collaborate between each other and buy each other products. Ironically making the industry to move forward.

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China Graft Probes Stem From Anger Over Failed Chip Plans Source: Bloomberg - Are you a robot? Non paywall: https://archive.ph/EupEj You posted this in the work news section? Why are you posting this again? To make yourself feel good about the news?
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While it is upsetting news for the employees, I had been posting on the company’s failings in the EV thread periodically so this should be no surprise.

What is funny are the people who inhabit the LAZR Reddit forum who continue to talk about the inferior Chinese technology/companies that are not bankrupt yet… Chinese subsidies most certainly!
 
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For a supposed secular society, white supremacy is the guiding religion of the west in its current form. The only thing that the cultures that call themselves western civilisation can agree on is maintaining white privileged and white supremacy; it’s why even formerly non white and excluded nations like Italy and Armenia try to associate themselves with this “Washington Consensus”.
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White supremacy dominates South America, North America, Europe, Australia, Middle East, Central Asia, and North Asia (Russia). Should China destroy the US and Europe in nuclear or economic exchanges, the transnational elites of white old money will immediately regroup in a different sector of the world. They have little manufacturing but the raw resources they control through feudalism is real power beyond just the fiat money system.

The reality is China is surrounded on all sides and capable of losing the war for the Chinese race at any point in time. The whites eradicate all those they defeat, there is no coming back a second time if China loses. Wang Huning understands this is not a game of nation-states, it is a global racial crusade that is taking place through centuries.

These calculations about deterrence and "balance of power" are useful but not reflecting reality. The US sheep, military, and nuclear arsenal are merely disposable pieces that will be traded for China's most important assets when the opportunity comes. The only question that has plagued the White racial elite and compradors is "how to eradicate China without lowering our living conditions and exhausting our control over the rest of the world?" and hopefully they bicker for long enough that China can find a real solution for white supremacy.
 
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What more tells you there’s no divide in the West when it comes to white supremacy. There’s no line between Republicans and Democrats… conservative and liberal. They both see white supremacy as paramount in the world. I’m not talking about white supremacy from the mouth of a skinhead. There’s a philosophy… a belief that everything has to be controlled by white people. It’s not a belief that white people are superior. It’s a belief that white people have to be in control of everything.

The difference between a Republican and a Democrat… a conservative and a liberal in the West and that’s a Republican believes white people have the only say. The Democrat will allow others to have a say but in the end white people have the final say. The liberals set themselves apart believing they can intellectually give a reason for white supremacy.

You see it when you read all these articles about how Trump is destroying Western democracy and principles in the world and yet Western allies are still sticking with him on foreign policy. You don’t see them going their own way even though Trump is dumping them. They still see the same goals and enemies as Trump’s America does. It’s because white supremacy is paramount in both. Europe could’ve done the world a favor because they never liked Trump even before his first term and they could’ve took a stand and not follow his foreign policies which is at the heart of why the Western world is losing today. And it’s the reason why China has become “self-sufficient” because they had to be given the circumstances imposed by the West.

It’s because of those principles is why they can’t work with China as the video above asks why… even for the betterment of humankind. The white world needs to take all the credit so that the world has to be beholden to them alone and no one else. Even Democrats and liberals see the value of white supremacy because they see no avenue in working with the Chinese unless they know their place under the West. Then they want the West to monopolize fusion power because then they can force the world to comply to their every wish if they want to have it for themselves. Then also how can the West punish anyone if they don’t comply if the West is not in control of everything? That can’t happen if the Chinese have a say.

The liberal West demands everyone follow them and do things (like democracy) like they do, if you want what they have. That’s why they hate China not because China is defiant in all the West demands. It’s because China shows the West doesn’t do everything the best way. I’m surprised in the video even the guy knows the inside joke when they say, “At what cost…?” It’s the West’s go to answer to discount for anything that can be interpreted as good on China’s part.

The West’s nightmare scenario has become a reality. Someone in this world doesn’t need them. That’s why it’s so important for the West to be in control of everything… so they can demand everything and anything from you if you want something.
 
AssassinsMace

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Where’s the part explaining how US tech is helping China oppress?

Yeah you really can do nothing except to spark anger at the thing the US can only be angry to do something about if it were true. Otherwise the US has no stake.

I guess it’s because of Indians reporting, this is really about getting the US to help stop Chinese influence in Nepal and Tibetans are just a front. At least they know Americans don’t care about Indians.
 
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iewgnem

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Actually I looked into this further and it's a lot funnier than the headlines:

- US didn't just ban new DJIs models, they banned all "foreign" drones and drone components including batteries, controllers, motors, comms, etc. that includes Europe, Japan and Korea.
- EVERY US drone company relies on foreign drone components, even Skydio which lobbied for the law relies on "Japaneses" batteries (that are made in China)

By allowing sale of existing DJI models while banning all foreign drone parts, they effect just killed the entire US drone industry while giving Chinese drones including DJI a total monopoly.

There is a clause that allows exemptions, and Skydio is expected to be given that exemption, but people wil buy a 10 year old Phantom 4 over a Skydio, so Skydio won't even get any business.

If they don't undo this law soon or hand out blanket exemptions, this will probably become one of the biggest industrial suicide in at least a decade. It's truly awe inspiring that all the headlines are treating this as a DJI problem when DJI and other Chinese companies are the only winners.
 
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