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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Europe is a chicken with it's head cut-off and they don't know it. They're trying to hang onto the only thing they have which is the romantic bullshit of their culture that they pushed while raping the world. That's why they're losing out and are being left behind in everything else that's moving and shaking the world today. Just look at that ugly inbred lot of the British royals. I read that the majority of the tourism industry of England is based around the royals. Look at their history and what they did and they're even uglier. The false romance is the only thing giving them attention. The royals don't inspire people looking at the future. Macron just advocated stronger EU action against China and now he's pushing for China to be at the next G7 meeting? Their actions are not intellectually thoughtful. It's more out of desperation without thinking.
 

dingyibvs

Senior Member
It's hilarious that US media and "experts" constantly talk about how deflation in China is a sign of China's economic collapse while totally forgetting about the consistent deflation that accompanied the meteoric rise of US economic and industrial power in the last third of the 19th century.

At the end of the American Civil War in 1865, the US was a relative economic and industrial backwater compared to the leading European nations. By 1900, the US had became the unquestionably dominant economic and industrial power in the World.
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(negative inflation is deflation) and cumulative deflation of 48.5%. The US literally deflated its way to becoming an industrial super power.

The deflation that China is experiencing now is similar to what the US saw from 1865 to 1900. Lower prices due to rapid increase in productivity and efficiency is very much a good thing for an economy.

I've been saying it for a while now, deflation by itself is inconsequential. What matters is what the deflation signifies. Japan's problem wasn't deflation, it was a lack of investment. Money gets pumped into the economy and immediately gets converted into foreign currencies to buy foreign debt for the carry trade because no one wants to invest in Japan. That's their problem. They have inflation now and their economy still sucks because deflation was not the cause of their malaise but merely a symptom. Inflation from rising input costs will not make anyone more willing to invest in Japanese industries.
 

dingyibvs

Senior Member
Right on cue, European idiots gift wrap another escalation step for China for free.

China can rightly point to this interview as clear evidence of the Dutch having not learnt their lesson and showing zero contrition, so the punishment needs to be increased.

It’s kinda surreal that China is tapping the breaks as it doesn’t want to curbstomp EU manufacturing so hard so early, but the Dutch are strapping on banzai headbands and daring China to do it.

IMO many people are missing China's grand strategy. If people understand where Xi is coming from, all the moves China has made in the past few years would make sense.

1) It starts with China's assessment that the West is declining and China is rising. To "win", China just has to maintain the current trajectory and outlast the West.

2) The current trajectory will inevitably cause some hardship in the West and lead to push back. As such, China needs to be prepared for a full-scale, full-spectrum (financial, industrial, military, informational, everything) conflict against the entire West (that's the US and all its allies). This is not so that it has to fight and win one, but to prevent a full scale conflict in the first place. Think of it like a MAD.

3) To accomplish this, China has worked to ensure full-spectrum resilience. RMB internationalization, CIPS, popping RE bubble, BRI, tech indigenization, preventing outsourcing of "older" industries, military/nuclear build out, GFW, etc. all needs to be looked at in this lens rather than the narrow lens of economic or territorial gains.

4) The key to victory is point number 1, i.e. maintaining the current trajectory. If an actual full-scale conflict breaks out, victory is no longer assured and there's a high likelihood of there being no victors at all. As such, the response to all provocations in general is to demonstrate the ability for MAD and nudge all parties involved to maintain the status quo.

Use these points to guide your analyses and everything will make more sense. Why doesn't China just nip the European manufacturing right now? Because it's well on track to nip itself. They're not gonna find an alternative to Nexperia China in weeks or months or in all likelihood ever before the European auto industry go bust from a general lack of competitiveness. China just needs to demonstrate that it can cause the destruction now, and let the Europeans pressure each other so the day of their destruction can come later rather than sooner. Sowing disunity is more important than causing short term destruction. One leads to a hastening of the current trends which favor China, the other can lead to a full scale conflict for which history has proven there are always many unknowns.
 

HighGround

Senior Member
Registered Member
If Euro auto sector collapses, who will fill the void in EU?
I'm pretty sure that Nexperia's chips could be substituted by firms like STM and Infineon, but this would be a very painful and laborious process. The Nexperia fiasco might cause a severe recession if China wanted to apply the pain, but it's not an existential pain. Europe, US, and Asia can find alternatives.

Like I said, this is the sort of thing that's best kept in a backpocket to compound on top of other sanctions if necessary.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
It says a lot that the West didn't decouple from China like they threatened. Number one is because they couldn't. Again the West thinks they can go back in time and think they'll change things to their favor. The number one reason why they went to China in the first place is because it was the best alternative. If they didn't go with China a lot of results would have changed for the worse. You think the US economy would have grown as much as it did if they didn't outsource to China exploiting cheap labor so they could have as much money they made? You think Apple would have become the giant it's known for today if they were denied from access to China to lessen the costs and make money from? What would've happened instead is the challenges it's facing today would've happened earlier.
 

HighGround

Senior Member
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It says a lot that the West didn't decouple from China like they threatened. Number one is because they couldn't. Again the West thinks they can go back in time and think they'll change things to their favor. The number one reason why they went to China in the first place is because it was the best alternative. If they didn't go with China a lot of results would have changed for the worse. You think the US economy would have grown as much as it did if they didn't outsource to China exploiting cheap labor so they could have as much money they made? You think Apple would have become the giant it's known for today if they were denied from access to China to lessen the costs and make money from? What would've happened instead is the challenges it's facing today would've happened earlier.
The West "can" decouple from China.

1. If it does it abruptly, it'll be very painful, probably worse than 2008 Great Recession painful. Which means politicians won't allow it. Nobody wants to take the blame.
2. It can do it slowly and methodically. The West lacks the organization do so. Technically this is already what the West is trying to do, and you can see how pitiful our attempts have been so far. Pundits keep hyping up MP materials, ignoring that they cannot procure or produce all the REEs required for a modern economy.
3. It can accept that it won't be able to do it and stop seeking "strategic competition" with China, but this is unacceptable to the West who think themselves as superior.

So I guess waht I'm saying is yeah, they "can't".
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The right-wing is going apeshit over Hasan Piker being in China. They don't see him as an American and believe he's a pro-ISIS terrorist but they don't like him praising China over the US. Why do they care? That's how much control freedom-loving Republicans demand from people they don't like. And get this... the right-wing is bragging that Hasan mentions he's jealous over Asmongold's notoriety over him in China. Why would they care to brag over having popularity from communists? That's how contradictory they are.

I get now why they hate Hasan Piker. Watching some of his videos in China, you can tell Hasan lives a lifestyle they want for themselves especially coming across as guys living in their mother's basement. I was watching one of their channels this morning and they literally have other right-wing types from other channels where the men use female anime avatars to hide behind. What would Freud say about that? And these are the guys that were worried they were going to be next after Charlie Kirk was assassinated by who did the claim was behind it...?

Hasan Piker knows what he's doing. He has videos of himself praising China and him holding Mao's little red book... The right is exploding with anger over someone they see as not as one of them doing things they don't like. And he 's not just traveling by himself. He has other apparently popular American streamers with him. I can see why they feel alone isolated and why they want to take it out on Hasan.
 

iewgnem

Captain
Registered Member
Good luck, considering that China hasn't fully lifted the export ban of Nexperia chips, according to Financial Times.

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Looks like they're in denial about Wingtech's new fab lol

Its also pretty funny they're complaing Wingtech setup new customer payment accounts for shipments, its like someone broke into a house, got kicked out by the owner with a shotgun, then complain the owner owes him money he failed to steal.

European culture really doesnt deserve to survive.
 

daifo

Major
Registered Member
My entire FYP is filled with the bridge collapse video. Which means the CCP is imploding. America stays top superpower

I notice the Anti-China voices have some how taken the feed of twitter. Its been days of non-stop "bridge" and the Chinese Ambassador comment about Japan. I guess NED or equivalent budget got funded again.


This Chinese guy in ICE detention was found to have "suicide" by hanging with his hand and legs tied up. I'm no expert, but that seems more like murder :mad:

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