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Serb

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Seriously though, aside from Do Nothing. Win memes, what are some good analogues to measure the pace of the end of American exceptionalism? Post-WW2 UK? Rome? Post-USSR Russia? Trying to get a sense of how this ends for the US.

Soviet Union in terms of a similar, modern-era faster pace of decline and types of milestones.

Western Roman Empire in terms of the final outcome and fundamentals.

As I don't think there will be a reunification again as in Chinese dynasties, or even some form of a leaner, weaker successor, as a Russian Federation. There will be permanent fragmentation as after the WRE too.

UK also survived by latching onto the US as a first tier vassal due to their affinity, and I don't think the US will do that with China to survive and keep a certain level of prosperity.
 

abenomics12345

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Late Ming Dynasty.

Time for '入关学‘ to make a glorious comeback in discourse.

改稻为桑 = DOGE

Soviet Union in terms of a similar, modern-era faster pace of decline and types of milestones.

Western Roman Empire in terms of the final outcome and fundamentals.

As I don't think there will be a reunification again as in Chinese dynasties, or even some form of a leaner, weaker successor, as a Russian Federation. There will be permanent fragmentation as after the WRE too.

UK also survived by latching onto the US as a first tier vassal due to their affinity, and I don't think the US will do that with China to survive and keep a certain level of prosperity.

My only pushback that I can think of is that America is still a breadbasket + well endowed with natural resources. Perhaps you can have West Coast/East Coast Blue States join Canada to form some sort of new country?

Found a good podcast:

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