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"(Ontario)Premier Doug Ford is threatening to stop the supply of nickel and electricity to the United States in response to 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian goods that are set to take effect tomorrow."
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"Audi factory in Brussels closes after over 75 years"
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"Honda to produce next Civic in Indiana, not Mexico, due to US tariffs, sources say"
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abenomics12345 said:
Seriously though, aside from Do Nothing. Win memes, what are some good analogues to measure the pace of the end of American exceptionalism? Post-WW2 UK? Rome? Post-USSR Russia? Trying to get a sense of how this ends for the US.
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Soviet Union in terms of a similar, modern-era faster pace of decline and types of milestones.

Western Roman Empire in terms of the final outcome and fundamentals.

As I don't think there will be a reunification again as in Chinese dynasties, or even some form of a leaner, weaker successor, as a Russian Federation. There will be permanent fragmentation as after the WRE too.

UK also survived by latching onto the US as a first tier vassal due to their affinity, and I don't think the US will do that with China to survive and keep a certain level of prosperity.
 
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abenomics12345

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lych470 said:
Late Ming Dynasty.

Time for '入关学‘ to make a glorious comeback in discourse.
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改稻为桑 = DOGE

Serb said:
Soviet Union in terms of a similar, modern-era faster pace of decline and types of milestones.

Western Roman Empire in terms of the final outcome and fundamentals.

As I don't think there will be a reunification again as in Chinese dynasties, or even some form of a leaner, weaker successor, as a Russian Federation. There will be permanent fragmentation as after the WRE too.

UK also survived by latching onto the US as a first tier vassal due to their affinity, and I don't think the US will do that with China to survive and keep a certain level of prosperity.
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My only pushback that I can think of is that America is still a breadbasket + well endowed with natural resources. Perhaps you can have West Coast/East Coast Blue States join Canada to form some sort of new country?

Found a good podcast:

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