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manqiangrexue

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It's because the ruling class have closely entangled themselves with the Suzerain state and their loyalty is the source of their political legitimacy. If they switch the Suzerain state then people outside the current elite will stand up and say "wait a second, you are Yuan/America puppet and enemy of Korean people. I am loyal to Ming/China and I'm on the side of the Korean people". That switch will never be a smooth and bloodless process, it's always going to result in a purge and replacement of the elite with a new bunch hence why the old elite resist it with all their resources.
Makes sense. The insane level of corruption is probably why all South Korean presidential terms come with a side-order of jail. This is just the first time they didn't even let the fucker finish the main course.
 

luminary

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It seems like US has chosen the damage control option i.e. reinstate TikTok while imposing censorship, and hope that people will forget XHS. I have heard internal discussions in TikTok of how to do 50% ownership, and the Chinese gov seems to have signaled ambivalence to the JV option.



Why are SV AI bros so upset about this anyway? Is there some kind of secret win condition for AI in this real life 4X game that I'm not aware of? Does it trigger Kollektiv 2.0 or Human Instrumentality Project and solve all of America's problem or something?
The backs of the military strongmen have been broken by Chinese 6th gen aircraft, the backs of the hanjians and media have been broken by RedNote, and the backs of the tech bros are currently being broken by DeepSeek.

The strategy of forget and move goalposts can no longer work— the impressive US mental gymnastics technology is not yet advanced enough to dismiss that '2 years' laggard Chinese AI has assassinated their invincible champion OpenAI at the supposed zenith of its power. The bull market and investors are in disbelief: all that hard work hyping up AGI-GPT-5, reduced to vaporware in a single month of increasingly damning releases.

I have observed that core to western cultural DNA is to shout "my god is better than your god", as is seen in the Old Testament Elijah's contest with Baal prophets. Anglos believe losing such an contest justifies the other people's slaughter. Here, Sam has built a cult to the dues ex machina. Just as the fire did not come when those prophets called out for Baal, GPT-5 has not come even as Sam calls out futilely for AGI.

To the Western subconscious mind, losing this contest in such an impotent manner indicates they are not the chosen people, and that like how they treated the Canaanites, their race will be annihilated.

 
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Iracundus

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Why are SV AI bros so upset about this anyway? Is there some kind of secret win condition for AI in this real life 4X game that I'm not aware of? Does it trigger Kollektiv 2.0 or Human Instrumentality Project and solve all of America's problem or something?

The really fervent AI believers believe that AGI or ASI will lead to an exponential growth in human and technological capabilities due to self-iterating self-improvement, and therefore that the nation that first achieves this will reach the technological singularity and rocket ahead of all others to the point of dominating humanity forever. To the white supremacists, this prospect of non-whites being dominant for the rest of foreseeable human history is an existential threat and nightmare.
 

Africablack

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Trump 2.0, based on all that I've seen so far, is serious about Making America Great Again.

We talk a lot here about how the US is a sinking ship and a collapsing empire. But underneath it all, the US still does have a lot going for it as a country: 1) the vast quantities of untapped resources, 2) its status as the sole financial super power, 3) control over most of the world's software platforms, 4) lack of geopolitical rivals on its side of the world, 5) fairly healthy demographics (relative to other first world countries, that is), 6) a system of allies most of whom are willing to sacrifice themselves for the US, delusional as they are.

The trouble with the Democrats is that, for various ideological reasons, they aren't capitalizing on these advantages. Instead, they're actively pretending like the US is still the super power that it was twenty years ago, where it could afford to be the "defender of the free world" and "promote liberalism wherever it exists." Thus the Democrats are more likely to sacrifice US national interests for the sake of global liberalism, resulting in policies like subsidizing NATO, baiting the Russians into a war, writing blank checks to democratic movements, and so on.

Trump seems a lot smarter about this - and I say this as a person who originally bought into the Democratic propaganda that he was just an orange idiot born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He recognizes the fact that the US is sinking, and that the key to preserving US power is fixing the US's internal problems, not defend the "liberal international order." Indeed, he's ready to sacrifice that order, if it means retaining American national power and preeminence.

Towards this end, a lot of what Trump is doing actually makes sense, and are policies I'd have sooner expected from the more pragmatic Chinese leadership. From stopping the flow of illegal immigrants, to ditching the liberal free riders, to cracking down hard on institutional / bureaucratic rot, to tearing down "cancel culture" & radical feminism & social justice scams, to unleashing the potential of the US's vast natural resources. These are all moves designed to improve the US's competitiveness in the decades to come.

I think if you're really watching, understand what's going on, and want the US to fail, then you should be far more concerned about what Trump is doing than what Biden did. Because ultimately, Biden landed the country in a spot where it had no choice but bet it all on AI to save US hegemony, while Trump is putting the US on a stronger foundation for long-term success, with or without AI. I hope Chinese leaders are ready to dance - Trump 2.0 is looking better than ever.
Very interesting take but I think you're giving Trump way too much credit. Trump is a special case because he has the ability to make his detractors underrate his intelligence but somehow manages to make his admires overrate it. I don't think there's some real grand plan on Trump's part, I just think MAGA ideology is just an extreme reaction to a changing world where they no longer feel they can control like they used to and they feel if they don't get a grip on things soon that chance to maintain their dominance will slip away for a VERY long time. Internally, they feel the problem is too much non-white immigrants and if they don't put a stop to that soon they'll end up a minority and the brown folks will be in control. Externally, the main treat to their dominance is China, a vast civilization state of 1.4 billion people that has survived peaks and troughs for 5000 years and has finally stood up. No country has ever threatened European dominance since capitalism became en vogue in the 15th century but now those non white folks are seriously moving at high speed to the top? For them it can't happen.

My take on this is simple: I've always said the Americans will lash out and throw away their mask when it's convenient for them. All their talk of freedoms, human rights, and other liberal ideas work only under the framework of white dominance, the minute they don't dominate they'll use every illiberal means to do so (we saw glimpses of this during the Cold War). This is pretty much what we're witnessing now, the world is no longer unipolar but many of them simply refuse to accept this reality.
 
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