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Temstar

Brigadier
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The news was saying Trump was threatening to tariff China if they don't sell TikTok. Then I see the video clip and yeah Trump said it but the news made it sound more serious than it was because that was a question from the media who suggested it to Trump who said he might or might not do it. If Trump wants a trade deal with China so he can bring "a golden age to the US" it ain't going to be one-sided like he tried to do with the Phase One deal and TikTok is not as important to China than it is to the US. TikTok is just a side deal. The major deal would be Chinese electric vehicles being sold in the US. Whether they come from China with a reasonable tariff or made in the US seems to be okay. Then buying US agricultural goods is China's leverage since China has alternatives to buy from. It's going to be a giant package dealing with many things so it's laughable to believe TikTok is the balancing point. It just better be something where Biden, Raimondo, and Tai feel like they got raped in the end.
If Trump offers up EUV, workstation GPU plus other assorted things that China currently want but can't buy due to ban, so as to balance trade should China accept?

For Trump this doesn't seem like an impossibility, but on the other hand if China agrees it could hurt domestic efforts already underway.
 

SanWenYu

Captain
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If Trump offers up EUV, workstation GPU plus other assorted things that China currently want but can't buy due to ban, so as to balance trade should China accept?

For Trump this doesn't seem like an impossibility, but on the other hand if China agrees it could hurt domestic efforts already underway.
The US will certainly not sell EUV to China free of conditions, no matter how much oil/gas/corns/soybeans China is willing to buy from the US. I can imagine that one of the demands would be for China to stop developing domestic EUV altogether.
 
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ansy1968

Brigadier
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The US will certainly not sell EUV to China free of conditions, no matter how much oil/gas/corns/soybeans China is willing to buy from the US. I can imagine that one of the demand would be for China to stop developing domestic EUV altogether.
I don't understand, the US don't produce an EUVL so what's there to negotiate and even so they had an agreement the next administration will not honored it as the US are not capable of full filling its commitment and obligations.
 

iewgnem

Junior Member
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If Trump offers up EUV, workstation GPU plus other assorted things that China currently want but can't buy due to ban, so as to balance trade should China accept?

For Trump this doesn't seem like an impossibility, but on the other hand if China agrees it could hurt domestic efforts already underway.
China never banned people from buying EUV or GPUs, China never even banned anyone from buying Cisco.
But if Americans think they can sell EUV or GPUs above market value they're not going to make many sales.

A lot of people hasn't mentally adjusted to the reality that China isn't playing defence anymore. China doesn't need American EUV or GPUs, DeepSeek is releasing fronteer models for free just to f* with American AI, China is actively removing export rebates to raise prices, the only thing Americans should think about is what can they offer China to convince China to leave them a niche instead of getting anhiliated in every industry.

Case in point, if US want China to let them retain an auto industry, they can put a quota where at least 30% of American GDP must come from farming and 1/3 of US population must work on the farm, if they want China to allow them to maintain access to TSMC, they can commit to banning all development in EV, batteries and solar technology, if they want China to leave them a bone in AI instead of gutting their business with Deepseek, they can promise to cap their semiconductor industry to 1/10th China's size.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
China has been able to accomplish technological leaps that the US thought was impossible without them. Shouldn't all those advanced chips the US thought China was hoarding been depleted already? The West needs to sell to China more than China needs their technology They're the ones in a weakened position. And once the US drops barriers to China, the rest of the West will follow each having to compete for China's attention especially if Trumps slaps tariffs on its allies.
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
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What Trump and Xi will negotiate is the establishment of Sphere of Influence zone . For the US the establishment of Fortress America from Canada down to Panama with South America as a neutral zone, for the Chinese the Sinosphere zone and ASEAN with the exception of the Philippines, Australia and New Zealand. Will the US reverse its Pivot to Asia, yes until the next Democrat administration since it was their project under OBAMA. Will Japan acquiescence, yes if China agree for Japan to change its constitute and become a sovereign nation again.
 
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