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valysre

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Let me clarify my thoughts on this. I agree that American society has issues in terms of priorities, but I am specifically talking in terms of talented engineers, etc, which Vivek is talking about.

Primary and secondary school in the United States are frankly a complete joke. Anyone who can become a decent engineer can probably sleep walk through secondary school and get themselves into a decent college.

The actual bad incentives come in undergraduate and PhD times. American academia is totally screwed. For every tenure track there is maybe 5 or more talented PhD students. Most people therefore are forced to go into private industry. However, the issue with private industry is that the highest paying jobs are those of blood suckers. So what we have is the best and brightest American minds working to steal more money from the stock market or manipulating consumers to buy more of their products.

This is also why I’m so doubtful of the whole BS Americans love to spout about DARPA having super advanced dark technologies that no one has ever seen. The incentives of the American job market of today is completely different from the Cold War when DARPA actually did have some of these technologies. Furthermore, there’s also the whole stigma of working in defense after the GWOT.
Ramaswami is talking about an absence of skill in private industry, not academia (although academia suffers for the same reason). The reason why the US cannot even produce the necessary talent for private industry (or academia) domestically is because, while it is true as you say that anyone with a modicum of talent in STEM sleepwalks through US primary and secondary, as it turns out, the engineer who has only done maybe a couple thousand arithmetic operations in their entire educational career, and has never once touched any kind of formal proofs, is not actually going to be a very good engineer.

They might have a wonderful grasp of the theoreticals (the failed Common Core curriculum was a great fan of teaching huge amounts of 'advanced' material with absolutely zero practice attached to the learning), but they can't apply anything.

The reason why the US produces such people? Because there is no value put on education, and hard work in school. Sure, the finance 'industry' siphons off what little mathematical genius the US manages to produce, but 50 kids a year can only do so much even if they don't go into finance.

Private industry (and academia) is very much a work of the educated masses, which is why China is doing so well: huge numbers of well-educated engineers, scientists, and mathematicians. Same reason why US now lags behind in the fields that it doesn't already dominate: no well-educated engineers, scientists, and mathematicians. As the great George Bush once said: "The question must be asked, is our children learning?" The answer is a resounding no, and it's all down to culture.
 

Biscuits

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This is also why I’m so doubtful of the whole BS Americans love to spout about DARPA having super advanced dark technologies that no one has ever seen. The incentives of the American job market of today is completely different from the Cold War when DARPA actually did have some of these technologies. Furthermore, there’s also the whole stigma of working in defense after the GWOT.
Well, there existed a time (1970s?) when Americans were driven a lot by curiousity too. The thing however with super advanced dark tech is that it's dark because you can't use it properly. Stealth was something like that for DARPA for example in the 1970s. And today it's like China's weird double X shaped hypersonic planes. Those might become 7th gen fighter 10 years later or so but they're just scale models and dreams today.

In general things are dark because they're kinda useless, otherwise you'd do anything to bring them out. We have actually seen some DARPA dark projects in the recent years. The X-32 they brought out to compete for JSF was one. As you can see, projects like that are not dark because they are game changer, but rather most of the time the opposite.
 

AndrewS

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Ramaswami is talking about an absence of skill in private industry, not academia (although academia suffers for the same reason). The reason why the US cannot even produce the necessary talent for private industry (or academia) domestically is because, while it is true as you say that anyone with a modicum of talent in STEM sleepwalks through US primary and secondary, as it turns out, the engineer who has only done maybe a couple thousand arithmetic operations in their entire educational career, and has never once touched any kind of formal proofs, is not actually going to be a very good engineer.

They might have a wonderful grasp of the theoreticals (the failed Common Core curriculum was a great fan of teaching huge amounts of 'advanced' material with absolutely zero practice attached to the learning), but they can't apply anything.

The reason why the US produces such people? Because there is no value put on education, and hard work in school. Sure, the finance 'industry' siphons off what little mathematical genius the US manages to produce, but 50 kids a year can only do so much even if they don't go into finance.

Private industry (and academia) is very much a work of the educated masses, which is why China is doing so well: huge numbers of well-educated engineers, scientists, and mathematicians. Same reason why US now lags behind in the fields that it doesn't already dominate: no well-educated engineers, scientists, and mathematicians. As the great George Bush once said: "The question must be asked, is our children learning?" The answer is a resounding no, and it's all down to culture.

Also remember how the US engineering system is using Imperial measures, not Metric.
So you end up with crazy conversion factors everywhere and a huge headache.

Think about it.

Any smart prospective engineering or science student in the US must be aware of this.
And who wants to waste a lot of their time using imperial units rather than metric?

So one of the most effective reforms would be to switch to Metric like the rest of the world.
 

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So according to the US government and elites:

1.Indians are needed to keep USA on top to win the tech race.

2.China is clearly the biggest threat to the world and we must stop them winning the tech race by sanctions and export controls.

3.For some reason China is not importing millions of Indians to win the tech race.

Do these guys not realize how contradictory this looks?
 

valysre

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3.For some reason China is not importing millions of Indians to win the tech race.

Do these guys not realize how contradictory this looks?
Clearly, it's because China intends to lose the tech race? Didn't think of that, did you? What if China doesn't want to win? Hm? What if they're actually trying to do is cede the initiative to the great Bharat and the glorious Indian people? Not that India needs China to cede anything... India is already a world leader in many fields such as 6G networks, high-speed rail, aviation, shipbuilding, and electronics manufacturing. Even the mighty French beg to sell their equipment in India.
 
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