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Biscuits

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The ship did not flee into the high seas. It was escorted by multiple coastguard and navy ships of NATO countries (including Danish) through Danish territorial waters and was only asked to stop right after it exited Danish territorial waters. It sure seems like they deliberately created a situation where China bears the responsibility
You're thinking too much 5D chess. Nobody will consider China as bearing responsibility.
for investigating when they could have easily stopped the ship inside Danish waters and had free rein for the "full investigation" that their media is now claiming China is obstructing them from.
No they could not have stopped the ship inside Danish waters without essentially declaring to China they're doing to Chinese vessels what Ansarallah is doing to US vessels.

They were not ready for that type of heat so they got out of the kitchen. There's no 5D chess, the cable is gone and the whole thing will be forgotten on China's side a few weeks later, like how US forgot the nordstream thing.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Iran wants to be western so much.

But the real fun hasn't even began yet. Netanyahu and Trump are gonna to wreck Iran's internal situation so much now. Just wait for it, their already leaky interior is gonna have planet-sized holes.

Recall how Israel was using WhatsApp to target Hamas and Hezbollah fighters lol.
Also recall how Western intelligence agencies use WhatsApp to coordinate their assets in various countries.

Netanyahu and Trump are going to have the time of their life with Iran in the following years.
What choice do they even have?

In my opinion Iran should go the FEDERALISM route:

I understand that Federalism for Iran might seem radical at first glance, but I truly believe it could be a path towards a more stable and prosperous future for their nation.

While It's true that national unity is paramount. But let's be honest, the current centralized system is struggling to contain the diverse aspirations of their people. We should not deny that there's social unrest; the economic disparities between regions, and the persistent calls for greater autonomy from their minority groups.

So rather than fearing fragmentation, I believe Federalism could MAYBE strengthen their unity. It would allow each province to address its unique challenges and aspirations within a framework that preserves their shared identity as Iranians. It's about recognizing its diversity as a source of strength, not a threat to their cohesion or even identity.
Of course, such a proposal would require another revolution to force the hands of the current Elites that's running the country.

But, with the direction it's heading why not take the chance whose outcome maybe more tenable (retaining its full sovereignty), rather than become another puppet to the western powers.
 

Biscuits

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What choice do they even have?

In my opinion Iran should go the FEDERALISM route:

I understand that Federalism for Iran might seem radical at first glance, but I truly believe it could be a path towards a more stable and prosperous future for their nation.

While It's true that national unity is paramount. But let's be honest, the current centralized system is struggling to contain the diverse aspirations of their people. We should not deny that there's social unrest; the economic disparities between regions, and the persistent calls for greater autonomy from their minority groups.

So rather than fearing fragmentation, I believe Federalism could MAYBE strengthen their unity. It would allow each province to address its unique challenges and aspirations within a framework that preserves their shared identity as Iranians. It's about recognizing its diversity as a source of strength, not a threat to their cohesion or even identity.
Of course, such a proposal would require another revolution to force the hands of the current Elites that's running the country.

But, with the direction it's heading why not take the chance whose outcome maybe more tenable (retaining its full sovereignty), rather than become another puppet to the western powers.
Removing the islamists has a high risk of turning the new govt pro western. China must really thread a needle here if they want to achieve it.

The alternative is ukrainization. Pump them full of weapons and send them like a rocket towards US, the people will have no choice but to fight if that happens and all the religious bs will take a backseat instead of impeding the country. Massive waste of US lives and weapons. Pezeshkian might be the man: somewhat charismatic and moderate enough to gather wide non Islamic support.

I think that is more likely unless China can make a major deal with the mullahs.
 

iewgnem

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You mean, like, everything Russia & Iran used to do before they got hit with sanctions and HAD to stop? Lol. Just take Russia for example:
1) Russia was selling cheap energy to Europe even after NATO pooped in its backyard (Ukraine) and was even willing to continue doing that after the war began.
2) Russian market was absolutely dominated by Western brands, even some Russian brands had to pose as Western ones (e.g. Bork - Russian company which basically sold rebranded Chinese goods but positioned themselves as German, even registering a fake GmbH there, lol) in order to gain success. Even now, there is still a large stream of Western goods coming to the country through China, Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc. and Russians are still willing to eat up the costs & buy this stuff. The situation with domination of foreign brands on Russian market was and still is WAY worse than China.
3) Russia never did anything substantial against Israel either, so what's ur point?

So basically, if these fairly mundane things make China pro-Western, then both Russia and Iran are pro-Western. Contrast that to attitudes of some Russians and Iranians who look down on China because of some innate racism and inferiority complex towards Europe. The latter is more indicative of being pro-Western than simply doing business with them.
That's my point, these things don't make China pro-western, and it also doesn't make Russia nor Iran pro-western.

Inferiority complex is when you think others look down on you and secretly like your enemy when you're the dominant power. Russia and Iran are literally fighting hot wars against the west and both have strategic partnership with China, that's the hard fact.

Even America's European vassals make plenty of disparaging remarks on Americans and they certainly do a lot of business with China, does that make Europeans secretly pro-China?
 

iewgnem

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Removing the islamists has a high risk of turning the new govt pro western. China must really thread a needle here if they want to achieve it.

The alternative is ukrainization. Pump them full of weapons and send them like a rocket towards US, the people will have no choice but to fight if that happens and all the religious bs will take a backseat instead of impeding the country. Massive waste of US lives and weapons. Pezeshkian might be the man: somewhat charismatic and moderate enough to gather wide non Islamic support.

I think that is more likely unless China can make a major deal with the mullahs.
The ME has been "islamist" for a thousand years, talking about Iran without Islam is like talking about Israel without Judaism, that's just how their culture works and China neither could nor should try to change it.

If you compare Iran with other ME countries, Iran is already as modern as it gets, I mean they're the first and only Muslim country with their own space program. Helping Iran find their own path is ultimately what China should and is doing.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Sometime it helps to switch perspectives, there are also a lot of Russians and Iranians who think China's the one who's too pro-western (and they talk about this on their forums), I mean, China does massive trade with US and EU, sells dual-use goods to them including ones used to kill Russians, allow Apple and Tesla to sell in China, and allow western brands to dominate Chinese market for decades, etc. China even does massive amount of business with Israel with Chinese EVs the top seller in the country. Compare that to Russia currently fighthing in Ukraine, or Iran fighting against Israel, China is practically pro-western, only from a Chinese perspective do people appreciate the long term strategy and tactical choices, and not without complaints over the years.
doing business with the west is not pro west any more than US doing business with China means the US government is pro communism.

unless, you agree with the view of racist midwesterners that "dumbocRATs are selling all our God given freedom and all MURICAN technology to them Chinese COMMIES in exchange for some TikTok views to look WOKE". Then I can say you are in the company of some of the most interesting minds in the world.
 

iewgnem

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doing business with the west is not pro west any more than US doing business with China means the US government is pro communism.

unless, you agree with the view of racist midwesterners that "dumbocRATs are selling all our God given freedom and all MURICAN technology to them Chinese COMMIES in exchange for some TikTok views to look WOKE". Then I can say you are in the company of some of the most interesting minds in the world.
Agreed, these things don't make China pro-west, because we have benefit of China's perspective.
Similarly if you look at things from Russian or Iranian perspective they're also not pro-west just because not all their interactions with the west are hostile.
 

supercat

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Hopefully this is all resolved. Keeping people in such bad working conditions is deplorable.
BYD already terminated their relationship with the subcontractor.

Which year is this, 1840?

Let's blame China!

We don't hate Chinese people. We hate CPC only!

Some year-end review:
 
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