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[iewgnem]

That's why I think China doesn't bother giving so much help to Iran despite some guys thinking they should.

Someone said Iran is like Russia. Both were once empires of the past and are trying so hard to get back their glory. So they are both full of pride.

Iranian people don't exactly have such positive views on China despite the aid given so far. And they still think they are the same as whites and will be accepted to the west club. Iran is so proud of itself then surely it can take care of itself.

China isn't gonna give out free aid for no reason. If it's just gonna give aid so Iran can try harder to join the west out of some racial pride, then it's better for China to use that money on itself.

Even Russia is more humble when dealing with China now. So Iran better start learning some humility coz they are in no position to act arrogant now.

Sometime it helps to switch perspectives, there are also a lot of Russians and Iranians who think China's the one who's too pro-western (and they talk about this on their forums), I mean, China does massive trade with US and EU, sells dual-use goods to them including ones used to kill Russians, allow Apple and Tesla to sell in China, and allow western brands to dominate Chinese market for decades, etc. China even does massive amount of business with Israel with Chinese EVs the top seller in the country. Compare that to Russia currently fighthing in Ukraine, or Iran fighting against Israel, China is practically pro-western, only from a Chinese perspective do people appreciate the long term strategy and tactical choices, and not without complaints over the years.

As it stands Iran has just bombed Israel twice this year with practically no consequence, have been giving weapons to Yemen to do the same plus blockade the Red Sea to practically no consequence, all while launching their own satellites on their own rocket and has a per-capta GDP higher than India while under sanctions. Israel meanwhile is still struggling in Gaza to this day, getting attacks on a regular basis by Iranian proxies on their border even after all the assassinations, and its economy is basically now entirely kept alive by US life support. If it was Iranian capital struck regularly by Israeli proxies, Israli hypersonic missiles, and its Iran resorting to assassinating Israeli proxy leaders to little effect, you would not be saying Iran is in a good position.

Iran and China are ultimately on the same side, the fact that they're a sovereign nation with independent policy, as opposed to the vassal relation US has with their "allies", while create challenges vassals don't, also give them more power that vassals can't provide.

 

[9dashline]

 

[A potato]

They want the monarchy back so bad, maybe we can get one of the Aisin Gioro family to become the next Persian Emperor. I mean Greece imported a Danish prince to be their king so it's not unprecedented.

Well it was done against the greek people's will. The Forgien Powers, France and UK, forced it upon them.

 

[Biscuits]

Sometime it helps to switch perspectives, there are also a lot of Russians and Iranians who think China's the one who's too pro-western (and they talk about this on their forums), I mean, China does massive trade with US and EU, sells dual-use goods to them including ones used to kill Russians, allow Apple and Tesla to sell in China, and allow western brands to dominate Chinese market for decades, etc. China even does massive amount of business with Israel with Chinese EVs the top seller in the country. Compare that to Russia currently fighthing in Ukraine, or Iran fighting against Israel, China is practically pro-western, only from a Chinese perspective do people appreciate the long term strategy and tactical choices, and not without complaints over the years.

As it stands Iran has just bombed Israel twice this year with practically no consequence, have been giving weapons to Yemen to do the same plus blockade the Red Sea to practically no consequence, all while launching their own satellites on their own rocket and has a per-capta GDP higher than India while under sanctions. Israel meanwhile is still struggling in Gaza to this day, getting attacks on a regular basis by Iranian proxies on their border even after all the assassinations, and its economy is basically now entirely kept alive by US life support. If it was Iranian capital struck regularly by Israeli proxies, Israli hypersonic missiles, and its Iran resorting to assassinating Israeli proxy leaders to little effect, you would not be saying Iran is in a good position.

Iran and China are ultimately on the same side, the fact that they're a sovereign nation with independent policy, as opposed to the vassal relation US has with their "allies", while create challenges vassals don't, also give them more power that vassals can't provide.

China has a gold standard geopolitical record, having gone from an UK sized economy at the start of Deng's tenure to being the premier world power and economy today, and inflicted a lot of losses on EU and US in the last year's without barely taking any back in return.

So when an investor with a track record like that bets in the middle east by diversifying into Saudi, Iran and Israel at the same time, it tells me Iran is risky.

The Iranians have the right foreign policy but their domestic policy can be questioned. A truly strong government needs to exist to serve the people, such a government can defeat even fascists, absolute monarchists and others that are on paper more powerful.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

The ship did not flee into the high seas. It was escorted by multiple coastguard and navy ships of NATO countries (including Danish) through Danish territorial waters and was only asked to stop right after it exited Danish territorial waters. It sure seems like they deliberately created a situation where China bears the responsibility for investigating when they could have easily stopped the ship inside Danish waters and had free rein for the "full investigation" that their media is now claiming China is obstructing them from.

Also, a total of 19 investigators (mostly maritime specialists) from NATO countries, 9 Germans, 6 Swedes, 3 Finns, and 1 Dane, boarded the ship for 5 hours alongside Chinese representatives. What further insight and expertise can a Swedish politician add over the 19 maritime specialists that would warrant turning the ship back (when the crew has already been stuck on for over a month) just so the said Swedish politician can do his own investigation and interviews?

IKEA expertise?

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

They want the monarchy back so bad, maybe we can get one of the Aisin Gioro family to become the next Persian Emperor. I mean Greece imported a Danish prince to be their king so it's not unprecedented.

Why the pretense of Democracy when it's the return of the SHAH is what they're clamouring for?

They should just drop the act and chop off their corrupt Ayatollah and horned up Mullahs

 

[TK3600]

Why the pretense of Democracy when it's the return of the SHAH is what they're clamouring for?

They should just drop the act and chop off their corrupt Ayatollah and horned up Mullahs

Emperor Trump is right there. Queen Malenia Trump since they love US so much.

 

[xypher]

Sometime it helps to switch perspectives, there are also a lot of Russians and Iranians who think China's the one who's too pro-western (and they talk about this on their forums), I mean, China does massive trade with US and EU, sells dual-use goods to them including ones used to kill Russians, allow Apple and Tesla to sell in China, and allow western brands to dominate Chinese market for decades, etc. China even does massive amount of business with Israel with Chinese EVs the top seller in the country. Compare that to Russia currently fighthing in Ukraine, or Iran fighting against Israel, China is practically pro-western, only from a Chinese perspective do people appreciate the long term strategy and tactical choices, and not without complaints over the years.

You mean, like, everything Russia & Iran used to do before they got hit with sanctions and HAD to stop? Lol. Just take Russia for example:
1) Russia was selling cheap energy to Europe even after NATO pooped in its backyard (Ukraine) and was even willing to continue doing that after the war began.
2) Russian market was absolutely dominated by Western brands, even some Russian brands had to pose as Western ones (e.g. Bork - Russian company which basically sold rebranded Chinese goods but positioned themselves as German, even registering a fake GmbH there, lol) in order to gain success. Even now, there is still a large stream of Western goods coming to the country through China, Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc. and Russians are still willing to eat up the costs & buy this stuff. The situation with domination of foreign brands on Russian market was and still is WAY worse than China.
3) Russia never did anything substantial against Israel either, so what's ur point?

So basically, if these fairly mundane things make China pro-Western, then both Russia and Iran are pro-Western. Contrast that to attitudes of some Russians and Iranians who look down on China because of some innate racism and inferiority complex towards Europe. The latter is more indicative of being pro-Western than simply doing business with them.

 

[Overbom]

Why the pretense of Democracy when it's the return of the SHAH is what they're clamouring for?

They should just drop the act and chop off their corrupt Ayatollah and horned up Mullahs

Their hardliners bring up bs laws all the time that the people don't support.

They want all the "goodies", more religion, more national security stuff, more militarism, more foreign adventures, more control, more suppression etc, but they don't give real goodies back to the population

If at least they brought some economic development and people's lives were getting better, then at least they would get the nod of approval from the population and turn a blind eye to the hardliners'policies.

If you can't even bring development to the country what's the reason for the people to tolerate your actions. Simple stuff all around. It's always a give and take game. IMO there is no impossible take as long as you give corresponding goodies

Should learn from Deng. Ideology and stuff is all good and nice but if you don't have food to eat, it's all bs. Hardliners should become more flexible and nimble. The real hard stuff is to be able to bend and bend, absorb all force, and then snap back to the original position. if all you do is resist the force without any bending, don't be surprised if you suddenly break apart

 

[Biscuits]

The ship did not flee into the high seas. It was escorted by multiple coastguard and navy ships of NATO countries (including Danish) through Danish territorial waters and was only asked to stop right after it exited Danish territorial waters. It sure seems like they deliberately created a situation where China bears the responsibility

You're thinking too much 5D chess. Nobody will consider China as bearing responsibility.

for investigating when they could have easily stopped the ship inside Danish waters and had free rein for the "full investigation" that their media is now claiming China is obstructing them from.

No they could not have stopped the ship inside Danish waters without essentially declaring to China they're doing to Chinese vessels what Ansarallah is doing to US vessels.

They were not ready for that type of heat so they got out of the kitchen. There's no 5D chess, the cable is gone and the whole thing will be forgotten on China's side a few weeks later, like how US forgot the nordstream thing.