Agreed. I've said here before that a key issue of India is that Indians do not perceive themselves as having suffered together as a unified India under the British. If a military humiliation is given to them now, they will finally have a concrete instance of suffering together as a unified India. Once that happens, it is hard to tell how things will go.
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I disagree. The congress party has been in power for most of Indias inception and creation as a modern Republic. Yet, for all the benefits and infrastructures it inherited from its former colonial master, the British, the Congress party failed on creating an Indian identity that inspired confidence and civilizational aspirations that can be found in China.
While I understand that India was never a unitary state or unified like China, Congress could have carved its own identity that's not a bastardized version of the U.K. The country even retained British appointed military chiefs and were only fully indigenized when Indians felt they were ready. Compared that to Mao's China the difference could not be more stark.
A lot of Indians bragging and yelling of supapowah illusions are borne out great insecurity combined with delusions that they are a civilizational state, and they too are worthy of status, reverence, and fear much like China.
Congress which embodies the Ghandis, Nehru essentially equates to the partitioning of their country, weakling peaceniks. Nehru the humiliation and embarrassment of getting his troops curbstomped in the Sino-India 1962 border war. Indira Ghandi may have salvage Indian pride and prestige during their victories against Pakistan in 1971 and the subsequent splitting of Bangladesh away from Pakistan. The lustre of victory quickly faded and turned violent as she was assassinated by her one her own body guards. The same fate followed the path of her son, Rajiv Ghandi himself assassinated as a result of his misguided attempt to play and meddle into the Sri Lankan civil war, where the troops sent created more issues resulting in greater anger and animus.
Indias entry into the exclusive nuclear club happened under the BJP's watch, the pride and confidence that a lot of Indians feel come from Modi (also from the BJP party) whether we like it or not.
I much rather have a confident and yes annoying India, than a weakling India searching for its identity called west-lite.
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For starters how about actually ceasing hostility towards China in every facet of the bilateral relationship instead of demanding China to give up land. Even now, I haven't found any piece of India media which doesn't paint China in a negative light.
Case in point: China gave up land, but we should still be cautious about China's motives.
I mean isn't that just how Weibo is? It always censors politcally sensitive topics and sometimes arbitrarily, so much so my friend doesn't even post on there anymore since even when he tiptoes as best he can, his posts get deleted.
But anyhow how is this whole ordeal a soft power failure for China? Outside of the extreme Hindutva circles, most people seem pretty relieved the dispute is somewhat set aside for now, since both nations have bigger fish to fry at the BRICS summit to advance the global payment system and boost multilateralism. Which this engagement does mind you, showing both sides can settle disputes through diplomacy and instead of doubling down with more soldiers, thus wasting a valuable oppurtunity to engage with an India that's currently being ostracized by the West. Plus seems to me people disappointed that China didn't do the latter should be more focused on a supposed failure to exercise hard power, rather than soft power.
Are we still talking about India here?
Exactly, much like how its become a meme that the West sees China as simultenously collapsing and also its greatest geopolitical rival, members here see India as a meme country still relying on dirtroads and lacking proper sanitation, but also such a big threat to China that one day so called "appeasers" will make it so that Chinese will wake up to see images of Indian commandos planting their flag on Potola Palace.
Pick a narrative and stick with it, and more importantly pick your battles. Speculating over what would happen in South Asia in the event of WW3 is just hyperbole and conjecture, and something the CPC for now seems to think should take a back seat to more concerning matters. A judgment which seems sound, unless the point people are making here is that the stereotype of the CPC for being long term planners is highly overrated and rather they should be moving more howitzers on the Himalayas immediately.
India is a freaking Democracy what the f..k do you expect their media to say and do? Be objective? Lol never going to happen as such objectivity isn't even found in all of the western countries most of us are currently staying. Have you not been paying attention to your surroundings at all? Man, look those numb numbs in the Philippines, a country that's beyond weakling yet are acting tough and mighty and keep talking about defending their lands from the Chinese. What a joke. But that's what democracy produce: a know-nothing gasbags.
Uh that's not true at all. Before Xi and Biden meetings you will always find the anti-china rhetoric gets turned down in the western media, and you will find neutral to even positives stories about China. The US media toe a fine line, the India media is not comparable.
British India invaded China repeated over 100 years ago, they invaded China longer than the Japs did. India is clearly the successor to British India, especially with regards to the China-India border dispute, otherwise there wouldn't be a 1962 war and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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