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Sardaukar20

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Iran deescalated by bombing Israel last time after Israel bombed an Iranian embassy.

Then Israel did nothing, until now. Which we must assume is their retaliation for the past bombing. So Iran will have to escalate again.

The reason they waited so long is that they need to be 110% sure US will help them attack Iran. But this should be a severe miscalculation. If US could focus all of their forces on Iran, they would be able help Israel win. However, US cannot do anywhere near that, and Iran will also recieve foreign support.
Iran may want to get serious with Israel, but it also faces significant security dilemmas from its so-called "Muslim friends". Turkey and Azerbaijan threatens Iran's North Western borders and the northern trade routes. Not too long ago, Azerbaijan and Iran nearly came to blows over disputes with the trade routes passing through Azeri territories. To its East, there are the terrorist infested hinterlands that Iran has continuously failed to coordinate with Pakistan and Afghanistan to deal with. Why? Only the three of them knows. Across the Persian Gulf, are the Gulf states reliable when war comes to Iran? Qatar still hosts the largest US airbase in the Middile East: the Al Udeid Air Base. When the US and Israel wants to wage war on Iran, is Qatar gonna deny them from launching air raids from its soil? Or is Qatar gonna bends over backwards to the US and Israel like the good dog it always is? And if Iran strikes the Al Udied Air Base, who is Qatar really gonna side with?

On the economic front, Iran is sending mixed messages to China. It signed a BRI deal with China but has not proposed transport corridor projects for China to invest in yet. China's investments in Iran is mainly focused on O&G development. Iran is also pushing ahead with India's project to build the North-South Transport Corridor to transport shipments from India through Iran to Azerbajan, and finally to Russia. How much trade can India ship through Iran compared to China? If Iran cannot seriously deepen its economic ties with China, how is it gonna move its economy forwards and become a more formidable military power?
 

PandaAI

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Iran may want to get serious with Israel, but it also faces significant security dilemmas from its so-called "Muslim friends". Turkey and Azerbaijan threatens Iran's North Western borders and the northern trade routes. Not too long ago, Azerbaijan and Iran nearly came to blows over disputes with the trade routes passing through Azeri territories. To its East, there are the terrorist infested hinterlands that Iran has continuously failed to coordinate with Pakistan and Afghanistan to deal with. Why? Only the three of them knows. Across the Persian Gulf, are the Gulf states reliable when war comes to Iran? Qatar still hosts the largest US airbase in the Middile East: the Al Udeid Air Base. When the US and Israel wants to wage war on Iran, is Qatar gonna deny them from launching air raids from its soil? Or is Qatar gonna bends over backwards to the US and Israel like the good dog it always is? And if Iran strikes the Al Udied Air Base, who is Qatar really gonna side with?

On the economic front, Iran is sending mixed messages to China. It signed a BRI deal with China but has not proposed transport corridor projects for China to invest in yet. China's investments in Iran is mainly focused on O&G development. Iran is also pushing ahead with India's project to build the North-South Transport Corridor to transport shipments from India through Iran to Azerbajan, and finally to Russia. How much trade can India ship through Iran compared to China? If Iran cannot seriously deepen its economic ties with China, how is it gonna move its economy forwards and become a more formidable military power?
The current situation still benefits Iran to full send very soon.

Ukraine is losing, and with it, a lot/most of NATO's stockpiles and spec ops. A hugely boosted Russia is about to be pressed right up to inner Europe.

Nearly all advanced US equipment need to be earmarked for China specifically, otherwise they can't even compete on that front.

So in other words, neither old or new weapons can go to the middle east. Only some of US' existing planes. And if US sends most of their navy, China can snipe them out with plausible deniability in the Persian gulf. They even advertised that Iran had ASBM for such a moment.

You can also bet on that the moment Iran agrees to jump and US declares war, China will also publicly call out US threats to Taiwan, and either force them to eat the largest loss of face in American history, or face a 3 front war.

Russians did the jump and now they're better off both economically and militarily. Iran should do the same.
 

Sardaukar20

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I think it says a lot that Iran doesn't get J-10s or Russian equivalents etc. We can see that throughout the Palestine war, Iran was not eager to fight, because they would rather use proxies than fulfil the all out battle that would be more beneficial in the long run to both Iran and China.
For whatever reasons, Iran continues to rely mainly on the same fleet of aircrafts that it had inherited, or derived from the era of the Shah and remnants of Saddam's Iraqi airforce. Sanctions is no longer an excuse, because the arms embargo have been lifted, and Iran has still not upgraded its airforce to contemporary standards. Maybe Iran lacks the budget for new procurements, or maybe Iran wants to buy self-developed aircraft. Either way, the Iranian Airforce is far from an effective military force today.

China should not forget that Islamic world in its current form is not one of us. Only a few years ago, they killed more than 200 Chinese and were bragging, only the rapid defeat of xinjiang terrorists shut them up for good.
Yes, a significant part of the Muslim world right now are not China's friend. They have killed numerous Chinese in Xinjiang, Pakistan, Thailand, and other parts of the world because many of them believed in the ETIM and Global Caliphate agenda. Adrian Zenz did not start the Uighur genocide BS story, he merely adopted ETIM's story. Muslims who are hardcore believers in Salafi-Wahabi ideology will declare anyone in their way of establishing a Global Caliphate as their enemies. The Salafi-Wahabi extremists are just as effing evil as the Zionists. They routinely hide behind Muslim victims to garner sympathy, and too many Muslims are gullible to their lies. The Muslim Brotherhood is an example of a Salafi-Wahabi organization, therefore I consider them just as bad as the Zionists.

Muslim world are at most Harkonnens that can be used to overwhelm Israel by numbers, while PLA/Russians disguised as them carry out the key killing blows, against air defenses, officials, US navy ships etc.


Not only does the present situation offer a chance for China to get rid of the longstanding Zionist thorn in the middle east and fulfil the promise made by Mao to the Palestinian people, but the "Muslim" world, exhausted by throwing their people to take down Israel, will end up more reliant than ever on China and Russia.
Nobody in the Global resistance can trust the Muslim world right now as long as they cannot get their acts together. Too many of them have been corrupted by Salafi-Wahabi ideology and the Muslim Brotherhood. If the Muslim world cannot fight for one of their own in such dire times, then nobody else should waste their lives and treasure to help them.
 
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Sinnavuuty

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Iran may want to get serious with Israel, but it also faces significant security dilemmas from its so-called "Muslim friends". Turkey and Azerbaijan threatens Iran's North Western borders and the northern trade routes. Not too long ago, Azerbaijan and Iran nearly came to blows over disputes with the trade routes passing through Azeri territories. To its East, there are the terrorist infested hinterlands that Iran has continuously failed to coordinate with Pakistan and Afghanistan to deal with. Why? Only the three of them knows. Across the Persian Gulf, are the Gulf states reliable when war comes to Iran? Qatar still hosts the largest US airbase in the Middile East: the Al Udeid Air Base. When the US and Israel wants to wage war on Iran, is Qatar gonna deny them from launching air raids from its soil? Or is Qatar gonna bends over backwards to the US and Israel like the good dog it always is? And if Iran strikes the Al Udied Air Base, who is Qatar really gonna side with?

On the economic front, Iran is sending mixed messages to China. It signed a BRI deal with China but has not proposed transport corridor projects for China to invest in yet. China's investments in Iran is mainly focused on O&G development. Iran is also pushing ahead with India's project to build the North-South Transport Corridor to transport shipments from India through Iran to Azerbajan, and finally to Russia. How much trade can India ship through Iran compared to China? If Iran cannot seriously deepen its economic ties with China, how is it gonna move its economy forwards and become a more formidable military power?
If the US goes to war with Iran, it will not use the bases in Qatar, but in SA - especially the air bases near the Red Sea. SA is thus the US's Japan in relation to China, the only country capable of offering the conditions for the US to go to war with Iran.
 

Overbom

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Why do you think that Iran is particularly bothered that this Hamas leader was killed?
Hamas actively sabotaged the Syrian government, an Iranian ally, by acting on the US's side during the civil war there.
It is just an embarrassment for Iran because the assassination happened in their country but that is about it.
Prestige and reputational loss is huge for Iran which has so many proxies in the region
 

Sardaukar20

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If the US goes to war with Iran, it will not use the bases in Qatar, but in SA - especially the air bases near the Red Sea. SA is thus the US's Japan in relation to China, the only country capable of offering the conditions for the US to go to war with Iran.
SA sure, but why not Qatar too? Qatar hosts the largest US airbase in the Middle East. And Qatar has so far been very obedient to the US and Zionists apart from some grumbling that was probably allowed by the US left to let off some anger from the Muslim world. Why not also include Incirlik airbase in Turkey, which is closer to Tehran than Prince Sultan Air Base in SA? I just don't think that Qatar and that snake Erdogan can be ever be trusted.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Why do you think that Iran is particularly bothered that this Hamas leader was killed?
Hamas actively sabotaged the Syrian government, an Iranian ally, by acting on the US's side during the civil war there.
It is just an embarrassment for Iran because the assassination happened in their country but that is about it.
Just send some IRGC guys on safari to North Africa to help the Russians clean up western proxies.
Wouldn't be surprised if that was the best bang for bucks.
 

Sinnavuuty

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SA sure, but why not Qatar too? Qatar hosts the largest US airbase in the Middle East. And Qatar has so far been very obedient to the US and Zionists apart from some grumbling that was probably allowed by the US left to let off some anger from the Muslim world. Why not also include Incirlik airbase in Turkey, which is closer to Tehran than Prince Sultan Air Base in SA? I just don't think that Qatar and that snake Erdogan can be ever be trusted.
Even if Qatar allowed it, the Americans would not leave their aircraft so exposed, it would be completely stupid to start a war using this base for attacks against Iran.

Incirlik would be used as a base for the attack against Iran as well as possibly some bases in Jordan and Cyprus.
 
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