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Petrolicious88

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This is wishful thinking. Trump will be a menace to deal with.

Agree. People underestimate Trump.

First term, took him over a year to assemble his team. Come Jan 2025, he’s going to hit the ground running. People lining up to work for him now.

Yes, he’s doesn’t want war….But anything short of that is up for play with Trump including assassinations, maximalist sanctions, bio-weapons, more tariffs…..and it’s mainly going to be directed at China and Iran.
 

FriedButter

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'The World That We Will Live and Die In'​

Sen. J.D. Vance talks foreign policy in an exclusive interview.

Best article you are going to get about JD Vance foreign policy view on China. Chopped up sections in smaller bits. The more detailed version is in the article

General Foreign Policy
“I prefer a different kind of statesmanship: one that stands athwart the crowd, reminding leaders in both parties that the U.S. national interest must be pursued ruthlessly but also carefully, with strong words but great restraint.”
“I think we're fundamentally in a bipolar system,” Vance told me, describing a world in which nations will be increasingly divided on economic and cultural lines between American and Chinese poles.

And so we really are living increasingly in a bipolar world,” he said. “That’s probably the world that we will live and die in.”

Nationalist Economic Policy (Sounds like Mercantilism)
“I’m growing a little alarmed with the posture of you know, some of the China hawkishness,” he said. “There are basically two strands of what I call the neoconservative hawkishness on China, one which I agree with, one which I don’t.
The one that I agree with is a sort of straightforwardly economically nationalist argument, that even though it may cost a couple basis points of GDP, we should be making more of our stuff.

But there is another kind of China hawk on Capitol Hill, too. Vance said these hawks think, “We don’t really need to change any of our economic relationship with China, we just need to prepare to fight a war with it.”

Could expect investments bans into China and bullying on non-US aligned countries due to their economic relations with China being a threat to US economic interests. Would not be surprised if they sanctuon Africa for using Huawei or Chinese stuff and demand they buy US instead.
American company, X, joins with Chinese company, Y, and puts a ton of capital into the Chinese mainland, but then anything that company develops in the future, and even in the past, is controlled by the Chinese.”

“We should basically be trying to prevent those types of arrangements completely,” he concluded.
“China is very good at using their economic leverage to create allies of convenience,” Vance said. “They’ve done this in the Middle East with a lot of digital technology. They’ve done the same in Africa with a lot of capital investment and infrastructure development. And I do think that one of the ways that we have to understand the next twenty or thirty years is, we need to make sure that America’s economic interests are being pursued in a lot of these regions.”

Avoid war with China. At least until they are reindustralized.
“I think the right view is: China should not make our stuff, and we should try to avoid war with China. And the absolutely stupidest view is: China should make all of our stuff, and we should go to war with them,” Vance said. “

So, if there is something close to a Vance doctrine, it is this: China should not make all our stuff, and we should try to avoid a shooting war with China.
 

AssassinsMace

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Another whiny cry-baby American complaint of something where they think if they pout enough, they can get them to stop doing it. The solution would be to not send their precious weapons to Ukraine if they don't want their "secrets" divulged. It's like Americans complaining about China buying US treasuries. They don't like how the US owe money to China but then they cry when China doesn't buy them because they cover what the US spends on government programs where they're spending more than they make. Or how about how the West wants Chinese tourists who spend the most while travelling abroad but they don't want Chinese coming into their countries?
 

Iracundus

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This is wishful thinking. Trump will be a menace to deal with.

He is a malignant narcissist. They react with rage when they suffer what are called "narcissistic injuries", in other words when they suffer an ego injury.

Remember, people (including some within the Chinese government) thought he was just posturing originally and didn't think that he would actually start a trade war with China, but he did. He does things out of ignorance and stupidity because he does not know where the red lines are that should not be crossed.

The other thing to bear in mind are the people he surrounds himself with and his supporters. These are the racist evangelicals for whom a nuclear apocalypse is to be welcomed because it brings their end of the world and rapture into heaven. Even for those that are not religious cultists, there is the underlying racist assumption that the Chinese cannot keep up, won't slap back, or are militarily incompetent. Their estimations of risk therefore are inaccurate and they might well escalate matters thinking that they can get away with it.
 
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