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taxiya

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Eventine said:
Trade over land is much less cost effective especially for China, since its most promising resource partners outside of Russia, are Africa and South America, both of which are far away. The Belt and Road land routes are ironically most useful for accessing Europe, which have fallen further and further into the US camp - a consideration Chinese leadership never seriously believed until recently, I think.
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You overstated Europe's importance. Europe is very important but far from being the only purpose of BRI, not even a crucial purpose. Arab countries, Iran and central Asian countries combined is a huge potential that can match Europe. Many these countries can't even be reached by sea port without extensive road links.

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Even for goods going to Europe, sea lane is only cheaper if the product is produce in coatal region close to a sea port. A product produce in western China will need travel eastwards for more than 2000km to reach a port, then travel 5000km through sea to return to alsmost the same point then another 7000km to reach European port. While going over land takes just 5000km and takes much less time that will beat whatever advantage sea travel has.

And I am not even talking about how rediculous for goods to go half of the globe from Xinjiang to Arab countries by sea.

Once again, BRI is not to serve Europeans or Americans (US) but to serve the world especially China's inland development. It is an evolution of "Western development" program (西部大开发), a decades long program.
 
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AssassinsMace

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The West needs money. It doesn't matter if it comes from selling advanced technology or fruits and vegetables. Money is money. The West is in panic because for leverage they don't want to sell anything to China that they can't get from anywhere else but by definition that means anything they're willing and want to sell, China can get from somewhere else and that's what's happening. Selling fruits and vegetables is that important? When selling to 1.4 billion people it is. Making that amount of money is like selling advanced technology and now the West is alarmed at the prospect of making no money from China and at the same time China is still making technological advancements that they thought they could stop. They're already paralyzed against a China that is behind in technology. China can survive without their technology. They can't survive without money no matter where it comes from.

The 2008 Western financial crisis exposed how Europe was spending more than they can make. They had to borrow money to maintain their first world lifestyles that they so much enjoyed and makes them feel superior to everyone else. The jungle is reclaiming the garden. They experienced riots on the streets by their citizens when austerity measures were proposed. And look at how natural resource rich the US, Canada, and Australia are but still not enough to support their allies. They need to takeover the world again because their fake front of respecting human rights is catching up with them because they can no longer take for free like they use to from the world they oppressed. Why are they in such a dire position? Because China is offering an alternative for the world. That's why they're targeting China because no China means everything goes back to their control and exploitation of the world. That's why don't believe that the West holds dear freedom and sovereignty of other countries. That's what China is ultimately and look at how they're floundering just because there's competition. That's not a crime. That's why the West has to make up crimes that they don't really care about except they think it gives them an excuse to stop China.
 
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9dashline

9dashline

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_killuminati_ said:
They are all the same beneath the facade of these labels: imperialists, warmongers, corrupt. All have the same goal, just slighty different ways of achieving it. The last Democrat in office (Obama) was among the worst offenders.

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And folks thought I was exaggerating.... once AR kicks off, anyone in US who tries to call home to China on Wechat, or even Whatsapp will get labeled enemy combatant, stripped of all rights and even personhood.... not just deplatformed, but dehumaned...
 
FriedButter

FriedButter

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_killuminati_ said:
They are all the same beneath the facade of these labels: imperialists, warmongers, corrupt. All have the same goal, just slighty different ways of achieving it. The last Democrat in office (Obama) was among the worst offenders.
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The only real difference is that the Republicans will flat out tell it to your face while the Democrats will jump through 50 hula hoops before reaching the same conclusion
 
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jiajia99

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Petrolicious88 said:
And Russian GdP is smaller than that of Texas.
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And what does Texas have that the world needs vs Russia…. Nothing. Face it, GDP on paper doesn’t mean as much as you think, otherwise Italy, a nation that has a larger GDP then Russia/France should in theory be able to send soldiers to Ukraine to drive the Russians out with ease, which is impossible because the Italians don’t have the guts to fight and the French well got kicked out of Niger of all places because the people had enough of them, GDP be damned.
Nothing you say now changes the fact that Ukraine is losing and will continue to lose no matter what. This stupid talk on GDP seems like you are just grasping for straws
 
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gelgoog

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Petrolicious88 said:
And Russian GdP is smaller than that of Texas.
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Russia produces about as much steel as the whole US. And they graduate more STEM students a year than the US.

Of course it is always fun to compare Texan GDP in USD versus Russian GDP in RUB converted to USD. A totally bogus metric since the Russian ruble is not even allowed to be freely traded against the dollar. In GDP PPP the Russian GDP was like in between the German and Japanese one. At this point it might be roughly the same as the Japanese one. Fourth largest economy in the world according to the World Bank.
 
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