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ougoah said:
Ask yourselves how come no American has ever sold US nuclear secrets to China (on public record) and yet it is clear on two occasions this decade where Chinese nationals have sold China's nuclear arsenal related secrets to the US. China no doubt has strong intelligence gathering in the US. The US recognises this and China has in the past revealed it held high level details on US warhead configurations.
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The first part and the second part are kinda strongly contradictory though? Clearly someone in America did sell something at some point, we just don't know what it was since they didn't get caught.
ougoah said:
That is more likely from effective spying rather than some American General just handing over documents to the Chinese.
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While China has advantages that can translate to stronger SIGINT, SIGINT is also a little overrated, a lot of spying comes from good old human intelligence.

If China had got US' high level 5th gen, nuke intel purely through signal intelligence without setting a foot on US soil, that's a ridiculous level of tech overmatch.

I think rather there are a lot of Chinese spies, and unlike what racist US thinks, these spies are almost all whiteys. Because it would be obvious if they're ethnic Chinese...

US has some problems even properly auditing the Pentagon's budget, it's not so unbelievable that they have a real spying problem and are unable to catch many of them.
 
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ougoah said:
Ask yourselves how come no American has ever sold US nuclear secrets to China (on public record) and yet it is clear on two occasions this decade where Chinese nationals have sold China's nuclear arsenal related secrets to the US. China no doubt has strong intelligence gathering in the US. The US recognises this and China has in the past revealed it held high level details on US warhead configurations. That is more likely from effective spying rather than some American General just handing over documents to the Chinese.
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The only two folks US ever executed for alleged nuclear knowledge leak/theft was the Roseburg couple, let that sink in. This is how serious America takes betrayal when it comes to nuclear matters. No doubt China does the same.
 
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The rest of ASEAN better stand up and be counted on China‘s side and unequivocally reject another iteration of western colonialism and predation of Asia. To act otherwise is to tacitly accept being a slave state for white westerners, to let your daughters be the last resort of sexually unsuccessful white and black Americans, and for your sons to be turned into ladyboys so closeted Anglo men can use and abuse them. Look at Okinawa which has to send out a bulletin warning Okinawa school kids to run away from US soldiers who regularly rape the hapless citizens and children.
 
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ougoah said:
What you're talking about is a perception issue. The Japanese perceive their allegiance with the US to be a good thing for them.

Chinese who know better than selling national secrets to adversary do so still when given a diamond studded carrot. The Japanese will not.

How many times have the public already been shown examples of traitors performing high treason? Just years ago there was an example of one who sold China's nuclear arsenal secrets to the US. How many westerners have betrayed their nations to that same degree? Not a single one I can think of. Not a single case in modern history. Rest is just wishful thinking and semantics. These asshats in China selling out their country in such a fashion only exist in China (among relatively wealthy and well to do nations that is). Talk to 10 Chinese people and you can easily find 3 where you would have suspicion they would do the same if ever given the opportunity. The hate some Chinese people have for China is mind boggling. These same 3 people you can usually sense have a sick level of internalised racism and self-hate + grandiosity for western everything.

The japanese (using that example) have a hell of a lot more pride in their nation and civilisation than Chinese have for China. Semantics and coping aside, this is truth. We can talk about nonsense how Japanese are mistreated by Americans but still love them etc. That's completely irrelevant to the point Im making.
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This is an interesting and maybe offensive observation i found but could explain the "generational trauma" of East Asians.

I recently came upon a tiktok video where a Korean lady try to explain why she think Korean society is screwed up. She attributed to mainly from the Japanese occupation. During this time, many of the heroic/high moral value/high intellect traited people were killed. The people left were the neutrals, cowards, and traitors(koreans working for jpn). The traitors ended up being the leaders and oligarchs of korea back then and now.

China suffer similar fate during the 100 year humiliation and mao's cultural revolution. In China, many died including the heros, high moral, neutrals, cowards and traitors. The easiest way to survive was the coward trait or the self serving "me." I am not sure if it is as high as 3/10. But definitely there are more self-serving traits in grain into the population than what should be normal. At least, i think some of the "heroes" took over the government.

In Japan, all of the nationalistic "Heroes" died as well in ww2. You are left with just the neutrals, cowards, and traitors. Traitors (of independent japan) dominate the government hence its relationship to the US.
 
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ougoah said:
What you're talking about is a perception issue. The Japanese perceive their allegiance with the US to be a good thing for them.

Chinese who know better than selling national secrets to adversary do so still when given a diamond studded carrot. The Japanese will not.

How many times have the public already been shown examples of traitors performing high treason? Just years ago there was an example of one who sold China's nuclear arsenal secrets to the US. How many westerners have betrayed their nations to that same degree? Not a single one I can think of. Not a single case in modern history. Rest is just wishful thinking and semantics. These asshats in China selling out their country in such a fashion only exist in China (among relatively wealthy and well to do nations that is). Talk to 10 Chinese people and you can easily find 3 where you would have suspicion they would do the same if ever given the opportunity. The hate some Chinese people have for China is mind boggling. These same 3 people you can usually sense have a sick level of internalised racism and self-hate + grandiosity for western everything.

The japanese (using that example) have a hell of a lot more pride in their nation and civilisation than Chinese have for China. Semantics and coping aside, this is truth. We can talk about nonsense how Japanese are mistreated by Americans but still love them etc. That's completely irrelevant to the point Im making.
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Mentally colonized people. How to excise? IDK, but the way China handles internal propaganda does not help.
 
manqiangrexue

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Lol. NATO is demanding China to cease all relations with Russia.
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I just... I can't handle these people's mouths. I can put that meme up all the time where the Dutch captain requests ammo from his enemy during a ship fight but I still can't wrap my head around it. It's China and Russia vs the ~30 countries in NATO and a couple more nickels and dimes, right? OK, game on, let's go!

Why can't they just shut up and play? Why do they have to say retarded things like asking us to abandon our Russia so they can gang up on us independently? Why do they have to talk; why can't they just fight? I don't hate a rival country just for being that; I understand completely they have to fight for their interests against ours as we fight for ours against theirs. It all makes sense and there's no hard feelings but I literally hate these people so much because they can't stop saying insultingly stupid nonsense.
 
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daifo said:
China suffer similar fate during the 100 year humiliation and mao's cultural revolution. In China, many died including the heros, high moral, neutrals, cowards and traitors. The easiest way to survive was the coward trait or the self serving "me." I am not sure if it is as high as 3/10. But definitely there are more self-serving traits in grain into the population than what should be normal. At least, i think some of the "heroes" took over the government.
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There's been more and bigger wars through history, everywhere. WWII wasn't particularly special.

It's not actually clear that cowardly and traitorous behaviors consistently offer better reproductive survival. There's a reason why "courage" and "honorable" behavior evolved. For what it's worth, there seems to be a trend that more war like people tend to have more "heroes". Perhaps because there is higher reward for those behaviors in those societies. The Chinese are actually quite.. war-like.. we didn't gain all our territory by being peaceful and friendly......

It's unclear why you would suggest that any such effect would affect Asians more.
 
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- Jennifer Scott (Sky News)

General Sir Patrick Sanders calls on NATO members ahead of their 75th anniversary meeting in Washington to focus on re-arming to quell a threat rising from what he dubs the new axis powers - Russia, China and Iran.

A former army chief has warned members of NATO the world is facing "as dangerous a moment as any time that we've had since 1945" as he called on members to invest more into their arms.

General Sir Patrick Sanders, who served as chief of the general staff until last month, told The Times that Russia, China and Iran were the "new axis powers", and a third world war could break out within the next five years if action was not taken.

Arguing the countries posed even more of a threat than the Nazis in 1939, he said: "They are more interdependent and more aligned than the original axis powers were."

But the military expert said the conflict was not a foregone conclusion if NATO members, including the UK, significantly improved their arms.


Disclaimer: Sky News is a British propaganda and misinformation outlet based in London, UK.

Personal Opinion:

The projection is off the charts with this "fine gentleman" Patrick Sanders. For the majority of the world, it is not Russia, China, Iran and the rest of the free world that are desperate for escalation but the neocon/neolib Anglo-american supremacist gang and its enablers in Washington DC, London, and various other US vassal state capitals.

It seems to me that the criminal neocon/neolib gang is really aiming for escalation and that a "limited war" can reverse the trend of history towards a multi-polar more equitable world. The neocon/neolib (i.e. neofascist) leadership in Washington DC might try to pull a modern day Operation Barbarossa on Russia and/or China to "stop or reverse" their development. Just like Operation Barbarossa 1.0 , 2.0 has even less chance of success, besides possibly provoking a nuclear escalation.

The global majority needs to make it abundantly clear to these Anglo-american neofascist lunatics, that their dream of global hegemony (i.e. US dictatorship over the world) has come to an end and that international sovereignty and democracy has won.
 
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