India has detained (kidnapped) many chinese executives from Chinese tech companies, including vivo, xiaomi etc. Sadly these sales are 100% forced, China's policies towards India needs a major rework.
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It's the job of a capitalist to be a good capitalist, it's a country's government's job to make sure capitalism works for its country.
White americans and their indian middle managers aren't going to be allowed to sweep their plagiarism and BS under the carpet. Why they demur at using that 'freedom' and 'liberal democracy' to innovate better is a complete mystery to me, but not as big of a mystery as to why the 'ashkenazi high IQ' failed to allow the anglosphere to innovate better.
y'know, this whole 'take China down and we'll induct you into NATO'/'take Russia down and we'll induct you into NATO' is typical of the bait and switch/impossible task preconditions that the anglo led west excels in to take advantage of naive natives. It's no different to european colonisers convincing foreign converts into giving them land and gold in return for 'heavenly paradise' or in modern times, cults promising you the world if you give them your earth belongings and wealth. The con is to cheat the victim out of their possessions and birthright.
Europe had their chance with CAI and even then they couldn't help themselves and had to sanction China and indulge in the masturbatory exercise of moral grandstanding. A sharp lesson of poverty and knowing what true grit means for the european elites is in order.
1. "Sorry I don’t believe this is some Sun Tzuzian approach."
I'm not saying that when the Chinese speak on such matters, they're pursuing some 3D-chess strategy from the Art Of War; that their protests are insincere; that they're actually trying to goad the West into taking the actions China is objecting to. I'm instead proposing that they really do hope that the West will reverse course and everyone will get along (win-win!), but they're also thinking that if the West refuses, they're going to see to it that China comes out ahead. And to quote myself: "That is, after all, what consistently happens. (1) The West tries something against China. (2) China issues some milquetoast objection. (3) The West's actions result in China getting stronger."
2. "Ren Zhengfei had no other choice."
The same can be said of all the other times when, rejected or cut off by the West, China had to go it alone and succeeded: satellites, Beidou, the space station, aero-engines and other military technology, etc. Would you criticize China for those occasions too?
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AssassinsMace
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1. Well I’m saying it’s unnecessary to make a comment. Just do it! Huawei has demonstrated it can survive without the West.
2.. Since you seem to be new I’ll let you know I’m a big critic of anytime China whines to be included in the West’s reindeer games because I have confidence China can go it alone to the least without the West.
"Since you seem to be new ..."
I'm not "new." Don't be condescending.
"... I’ll let you know I’m a big critic of anytime China whines to be included in the West’s reindeer games"
Yes, I'm well aware of that. Like I said, I'm not "new" here.
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Chinese are very good with defense tactics against the west now. The west finds it very hard to get a real punch in.
I have no clue why Chinese especially the companies don't show this level of defense to Indians.
plawolf
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It’s an expensive lesson, but Chinese are not stupid either. Most of the ‘manufacturing’ done in India is really just assembling core components imported from China.
This is where Indian greed is fucking themselves over. All of the offshoring of actual core manufacturing only happens much further down the line after companies have made massive and sustained profits in a region to justify the additional investment.
Had this happens 10-20 years down the line, then there would be a genuine risk of loss of core technology through such daylight robbery. But as things stand, they just have an assembly business that is a useless waste of space without the components needed to actually assemble the phones. Guess who makes the components and who will absolutely be adding a massive ‘fuck you right back’ margin on top of exports to those Indian assembly operations?
