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You need leverage to extract concessions. Argentina under Milei doesn’t have shit to bargain with. That is why they are pulling the mafia move of trying to threaten Chinese assets (space monitoring station) instead of bringing anything of value to the table themselves.

The space monitoring station is something nice to have, but it isn’t indispensable. Worst case China can just park one of their space monitoring ships in international waters like they used to. It will cost more but not remotely enough to warrant China giving Milei anything.

If Argentina was in a position of strength, Huawei wouldn’t have become China’s top beef importer since all the Argentines had of value is beef these days.
I highly doubt Argentina does that on their on own initiatives. This is just a broader effort by the US to hinder China's access to deep space.

Tracking ships can only do so much. Nothing beats having a big dish anchored in bed rock, with a view of the southern hemisphere of the sky to boot. So, the monitoring station is actually not indispensable. If it doesn't get shutdown, it mght get droned at some point. China would be better off moving the infrastructure into space. May be that research into kilometer sized space-based solar power plant isn't actually about generating power after all.
 

Randomuser

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I don't think that's how economies work. In fact, the prevailing strategy of capitalism is control of the global financial system and the fruits of production through it. The idea being that, it doesn't matter if you do all the production, as long as I take most of the value from that production via share holding profits. I then take that value and invest in other production centers, playing them against you, until you have no choice but to obey me. Because the alternative is I take my investments and my business to them, and your factories go bankrupt because I'm not buying from you but from your competitors.

That is effectively the strategy practiced by the US; and it is what India is trying to imitate. It works very well against export-oriented economies like Japan and South Korea because so much of their economy is built on selling to others. Production capability without financial independence doesn't work; at the end of the day, you're in a tough spot because ultimately, if a country can get away with printing $100 billion with little consequence, and you accept their currency in exchange for products, you're just giving the value of your labor for free and that country is going to end up buying up your whole economy.

To use an example from life - you can spend all your life creating the most inventive products ever, but if you have no capital, you're still going to end up signing away all of it for a mere middle class salary, while the investors make billions.
Transfering aka stealing value like a Mafia boss works provided you have the power to do it.

I get how the US does it since they are in a position to do so with hard power but not India. I guess they really believe they can leech their way to the top and gain control of the system in the west. But what's to stop people of the host one day to say no, get out? Idi Amin shows how easy it is to kick Indians out and he was from some poor African state. Without the Brits to act as hard power, people will just ask why do I take orders from you now?

Even in animal farm, the so called dumb animals could rise up against the pigs. Although that was the animated version with the ending changed.
 

broadsword

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I highly doubt Argentina does that on their on own initiatives. This is just a broader effort by the US to hinder China's access to deep space.

Tracking ships can only do so much. Nothing beats having a big dish anchored in bed rock, with a view of the southern hemisphere of the sky to boot. So, the monitoring station is actually not indispensable. If it doesn't get shutdown, it mght get droned at some point. China would be better off moving the infrastructure into space. May be that research into kilometer sized space-based solar power plant isn't actually about generating power after all.

Would a location in Chile be less effective geographically?
 

Index

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Surely some pound of flesh will be extracted by China for all that bs.
Literal flesh as Argentina is reportedly paying China in beef at the moment because they simply don't have anything better to offer
Their conclusions as ever seem to be based on the implicitly understood even if subconscious racism of thinking that Asians cannot be creative and innovative. It creates then flawed circular logic: "We know they must have stolen the technology from us because they cannot be creature. How do we know they cannot be creative? Because they stole the technology from us."

There was a 3 part documentary over 9 years ago of which I could only find 1 part easily still online (the part on creativity):



Essentially they had a competition between a Danish school and a Chinese school (from Harbin I think) in 3 areas: English, Mathematics, Creativity. The Danish students were asked how they thought the results would be before the tests. They thought they would easily win in English, conceded they might lose in mathematics, but were confident they would win in creativity. The result was actually they lost in all 3 areas. However the Danish students then tried to say they had more fun and that the Chinese were too focused on just results so "they" (the Danish) were still the real winners. Their school principal still asserted they somehow were better despite no objective evidence of that. I think one of the documentary makers or maybe it was one of the creativity panel judges said there was a dangerous combination of Western ignorance and arrogance. That was over a decade ago and things are not really much different now, though now we are seeing the coping as advanced material results of Chinese creativity and innovation enter the market, whereas before iterative improvements on existing technology was more easily dismissed as "not true creativity".
Kids in China learn how to take responsibility and make their own planning from an early age, this is honestly a genius system that should be majorly credited in keeping China's dominant economy/tech role. Really smart people also exist in societies with worse education, but those people essentially have to self select by learning responsibility by their own at a later age. The top 1% of euro minds are probably as creative or smart as the top 1% of Chinese minds, but it's the middle and bottom majority where China is gonna heavily win out in terms of how innovative and competitive the workers are.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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Indians will live better lives if broken up. At least people in the north east can avoid genocide. It is justice to break up India. Although it is not responsibility of China to enforce justice around the world, I am all for it if it also align with Chinese geopolitical interest.
Ok. We are already aware of the damage US caused to the world and itself through its policy of regime change and political interference. We talk about it over and over again in this thread. And now, having seen all that, the first thing some of us have in mind in terms of Chinese foreign policy goal is to break up India?????
 

Sinnavuuty

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where the summit was held. The document was signed by 80 countries out of 92 present, but Armenia, Bahrain, Brazil, the Holy See, India, Indonesia, Libya, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, South Africa, Switzerland, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates did not sign it.
 

Chevalier

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Ok. We are already aware of the damage US caused to the world and itself through its policy of regime change and political interference. We talk about it over and over again in this thread. And now, having seen all that, the first thing some of us have in mind in terms of Chinese foreign policy goal is to break up India?????
After suffering the genocide and humiliation of British imperialism, what is the modern Indian response but to dedicate themselves to the social, spiritual and national goal of being forever sepoys and slaves to the Anglo American nations?

China has been more than generous and courteous with India, its high time they got the Vietnam treatment and were taught a lesson.
Their conclusions as ever seem to be based on the implicitly understood even if subconscious racism of thinking that Asians cannot be creative and innovative. It creates then flawed circular logic: "We know they must have stolen the technology from us because they cannot be creature. How do we know they cannot be creative? Because they stole the technology from us."

There was a 3 part documentary over 9 years ago of which I could only find 1 part easily still online (the part on creativity):



Essentially they had a competition between a Danish school and a Chinese school (from Harbin I think) in 3 areas: English, Mathematics, Creativity. The Danish students were asked how they thought the results would be before the tests. They thought they would easily win in English, conceded they might lose in mathematics, but were confident they would win in creativity. The result was actually they lost in all 3 areas. However the Danish students then tried to say they had more fun and that the Chinese were too focused on just results so "they" (the Danish) were still the real winners. Their school principal still asserted they somehow were better despite no objective evidence of that. I think one of the documentary makers or maybe it was one of the creativity panel judges said there was a dangerous combination of Western ignorance and arrogance. That was over a decade ago and things are not really much different now, though now we are seeing the coping as advanced material results of Chinese creativity and innovation enter the market, whereas before iterative improvements on existing technology was more easily dismissed as "not true creativity".
for a lot of western trumpeting about their supposed high IQ, and creativity, I’m not seeing much of it in real life. Truly, innovative financial products meant to scam people like crypto pump n dumps are truly historic, but not really what the human race needs to become a space faring civilisation.
 

Randomuser

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Ok. We are already aware of the damage US caused to the world and itself through its policy of regime change and political interference. We talk about it over and over again in this thread. And now, having seen all that, the first thing some of us have in mind in terms of Chinese foreign policy goal is to break up India?????
For most other countries I would say we shouldn't wish such things.

However India started this. Especially supporting seperatists, we get to punch back. Knowing how Indian elites think and their ambition especially what they have done to their neighbours (Bangladesh being the latest example) , we have every right to make them know their place.

India is not innocent. South east Asians and Africans see them as the house slave of the Brits used to manage their colonies. As far as they are concerned, they are a reminder of the Brits. Indians act so entitled coz even though they report to the Brits back then, they got to talk down on everyone else. That's why they still go to stuff like G7 while overstating it's contribution to BRICS. After all India in its current form is a creation of the Brits legacy.

How does punishment work in India? A lot of times you see some guy whacking another guy with a stick. Why? Coz since they never self reflect on words, they will reflect on force. And likewise that's how you respond to India by making sure it learns PROPERLY.

As more footage of 2020 Galwin comes out showing Indian soldiers getting their asses kicked despite Indian media saying otherwise, many are realizing that's how you deal with India and make them pay attention.
 
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