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It’s funny because right above your post was the post about how India’s economy is all financialized smoke & mirror. But this is exactly what such economies do - they play the finance game to create a bunch of “value” from seemingly nothing and then use it to purchase things of actual value from hard working people like East Asians.

What’s sad is they get away with it more often than not as seen by the foreign ownership of so many Japanese and Korean companies.
You don't seem to understand how economies work. Things that are produced have very little value, the production capability itself has all the value.

When you dump a steady stream of products on less developed countries, they become continously dependent. What brings wealth to a country is not being able to import goods, but being able to produce better goods in an iterative manner. The importing country essentially only receives a temporary buff to living standards, which also hinges on continued foreign goodwill, whereas the exporting country receives an increased transaction size, which companies will use to recruit more/better employees and develops the local industry further, that is to say, actual value and growth.

You don't become the largest economy in the world without exploiting some other nations. And you don't become a country with sub Saharan level development without being exploited by a few others.
 

jiajia99

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Poland calling for the destruction and dismantling of Russia into 200 states at the peace ultimatum summit. Basically the same westoid wet dream about turning China into a thousand city states.
So he has signed Polands death warrant I See. They really got to stop dancing on Russias red lines. It’s all well and good to pretend Putins bluffing but that ultimately culminated into the war in Ukraine that Ukraine is losing against a Russia that hasn’t brought out its strongest explosives yet due to cultural relations (talking about the nukes). Does Poland have a similar history or will Russia bomb Poland to dust if pushed too far? Duda really needs to ask himself that question and no, using the USA as a crutch is a stupid idea that no one in their right mind should rely on
 

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It's much worse than that. US actually has a considerable presence and influence in most countries, in the form of NGO's and multiple consulates. Those NGO's hire private contractors to do the dirty work on behalf of USG, which include bribing, propaganda, projecting influence, financing and supporting violence, uprisings, protests and civil unrests, etc., especially if the host country is practicing some form of democracy where political leaders can be bought out easily. Worst case scenarios, US also has military presence in the host country or nearby regions. Pakistan is a good example; American NGO's here have a solid grip on Pakistan's education system, media, political parties, and factions within the military. China is Pakistan's closest ally and largest trading partner, yet the size difference of the Chinese embassy versus the American' is staggering. And then there are American vassals from Europe who have similar systems in place, notably UK, Germany, and France. So long as this system exists, it will be difficult to unfollow the US. I really haven't seen China challenge the US in this system.
It's surprisingly easy for China to deal with that battlefield though.

What I would call the Russia model is basically a blueprint for how China can wipe out US influence assymetrically.

It didn't matter how much US sunk its teeth into Russia after the USSR breakup, the covert battle for the fate of Russia still ended in decisive Chinese victory just by Russia being influenced into a path of geopolitical opposition to US. China has its own global intelligence network, but it didn't even need a massive operation, massive surveillance, or many massive military bases in order to coerce Russia into becoming a direct proxy and shed all US ties. It only needed to play up Russia's natural ambitions.

Because America is less geographically blessed than China, it's win condition relies on establishing a global dictatorship, whereas China only needs to keep itself defended. A dictatorship must have tough laws and punishments.
China can (as seen in the Russia case), simply empower a country while using covert means to encourage a subtle anti-US tilt. Once that is established, US faces the choice to show weakness by conceding to their new anti-American demands and risk a mass rout in its own faction, or alternatively double down, in which case US itself will destroy its own influence.
 

Chevalier

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Wow who didn't see this coming? I never felt the hype of Xiaomi, Vivo or Oppo compared to Huawei and now I see why. They don't seem to have what it takes to win out in the long run. They don't know how to fight. They're just trend follower copycats who aim for the lowest price without being the ones to be in front challenging the status quo.






What is better, invest your nation's capital stock in some passive fictitious virtual digits on computer screens, flipping it around endlessly in a void, or have your citizens invest their life savings into starting productive businesses, that help the local community and the country way more? What benefits the elites (asset holders) vs ordinary people (real wages)? That's the question.

By the looks of the stock market, you would think that in India they live better than in China, yet the reality is far different. Indian and American stock markets (especially meme stocks like Nvidia) are the biggest bubbles in existence now.

India is like a shittier version of America, but you can't deny the similarities; Financialization, rent-seeking, services dominance in the economy, the dominance of natural resources in exports, imports of all essential manufactured products, components, tools, from China, oligarchs meddling in government and politics controlling literally all policies, deficient social mobility, inequality, divisions, heavy individualism, etc.
The Indian elites and government work hand in hand like their anglo idols; the Indian gov. shakes down chinese companies and then indian elites and their companies come along to buy the distressed companies for pennies on the dollar, even getting the factories and infrastrucutre that Oppo or Xiaomi painstakingly built, for what is essentially free.

The CPC should block this transaction citing the fact that India is blocking chinese tech companies and firms and cannot expect to steal chinese tech in such a manner. As for the owners of Oppo who agreed to this, they should count themselves lucky they're not facing charges of sedition and treason and aiding and abetting a hostile nation.
 

_killuminati_

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China can (as seen in the Russia case), simply empower a country while using covert means to encourage a subtle anti-US tilt. Once that is established, US faces the choice to show weakness by conceding to their new anti-American demands and risk a mass rout in its own faction, or alternatively double down, in which case US itself will destroy its own influence.
I have not seen that kind of tilt happen in a major way. China can.. but has it? Russia was already anti-US so it wasn't much of a tilt.

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bebops

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As far as solving Taiwan issues.. Not yet, later is better.
As long as 800 bil trade surplus keep coming in, I wouldn't start any conflict yet. 800 bil trade surplus is not an forever thing. In 7-10 years, it will gradually dwindle down. Trade volume between China and US will be very low.

By then, I expect China's PPP will be twice the size of US. It meant alot because in a conflict, it can absorb alot of financial damage. China has a big financial cushion. Western sanction will not hurt as much.
 

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You'd think the Europeans would have learnt from CAI but apparently the master race has a learning disability. Any idiot would have known that even symbolic tariffs or sanctions would not have been taken laying down by China hence why the europeans lost CAI. Did the Garden think they could enjoy their smug masturbatory exercise of moral superiority without paying the price?

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The good news is that with actual americans fighting and dying on the same frequency and volume as ukrainians, there might be some decent domestic pressure from americans and their families to actually do something in the anti war movement. Sound cold blooded? Because it's true, americans- in fact, westerners are apathetic to overseas wars at best and sadistic war porn and gore watchers at worse when it's not their own limbs and people at stake. You saw a little of this during the 2006 'surge' when anxious americans online who were defensive about the quagmire in iraq, grew ever more anti war when the amputees and body bags came rolling in.
 
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