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_killuminati_ said:
Manufacturing produces bridges and roads, not numbers on a computer. India seems to be leapfrogging over the industrial manufacturing phase straight into non-tangible assets/services phase. USA began this phase in the 1980's iirc, after a period of significant industrial growth. What it means is that India can "grow" in value in the virtual world of computer digits, but not much in the tangible world of reality.

USA went so deep in it that building basic infrastructure became a non-lucrative liability that successive governments always avoided. But USA still had a significant domestic manufacturing base as well as a currency that is the global reserve; India has neither. So, India will probably acquire the same negatives that the US faces at home in the form of declining quality of life, social unrest, etc. But even here India already has amongst the worst in the world (i.e. absurd levels of poverty, religious and ethnic violence, communal riots and pogroms).
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India has human capital that developed North Needs. look at this G-7 Group photo. Modi is between two Industrial countries Germany and Japan. how come India produce million of autos and tens of million of two wheelers if it does not know manufacturing? and Indian skills played key role in building Gulf Emirates. i only take into account the actions of Gulf Arabs when make opinion about India.

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It’s funny because right above your post was the post about how India’s economy is all financialized smoke & mirror. But this is exactly what such economies do - they play the finance game to create a bunch of “value” from seemingly nothing and then use it to purchase things of actual value from hard working people like East Asians.

What’s sad is they get away with it more often than not as seen by the foreign ownership of so many Japanese and Korean companies.
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It's very inline with Brahmin like thinking. They're too good to do any actual work. That's reserved for dalits.

I remember when figures came out showing India's manufacturing hasn't improved at all compared to China some Indians said that's fine, we will do higher value work like designing the chips.

I wonder if most Indians really think like this? Like you can't even do the manufacturing right but somehow you can just skip learning those steps and move up the value chain just like that? This line of thinking really shows why India is in its current state if so. The west at one point still manufactured stuff you know.
 
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Some weird portions of anti-imperialist community are in shambles. I am one of those people who think China should solve the Taiwan problem soon. But suggesting that China needs to hurry is a massive nonsense. They will be in a much better position to solve it in even just 5 years. Why throw all those advantages away? Even 15 years is a very short time frame for nations.
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The idea is good, but the workings of the world are not entirely within one's control.
The statement issued by G7 has shown that member states faithfully adhere to the will of the United States，so those opportunists will inevitably have the illusion of receiving strong support.

The conflicts around China will inevitably be triggered by the Americans, and I would like to see if the leadership has the determination to defend territorial integrity, or if they will once again use economic development as an excuse to pretend that a crisis does not exist.

In the current situation, it is foolish and cowardly to imagine that one still wants to rely on economic factors to avoid conflicts. Those grand and long-term plans cannot be used as an excuse for inaction. Therefore, do not blame the opponent for constantly making more demanding demands.The result of not taking the initiative is to allow opponents to create greater crises.
 
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zhangjim said:
The idea is good, but the workings of the world are not entirely within one's control.
The statement issued by G7 has shown that member states faithfully adhere to the will of the United States，so those opportunists will inevitably have the illusion of receiving strong support.

The conflicts around China will inevitably be triggered by the Americans, and I would like to see if the leadership has the determination to defend territorial integrity, or if they will once again use economic development as an excuse to pretend that a crisis does not exist.

In the current situation, it is foolish and cowardly to imagine that one still wants to rely on economic factors to avoid conflicts. Those grand and long-term plans cannot be used as an excuse for inaction. Therefore, do not blame the opponent for constantly making more demanding demands.The result of not taking the initiative is to allow opponents to create greater crises.
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I don't know about the other Total War games but in Rome 1, you play as one of three Roman Factions and you have to report to the senate. They give you orders and if you complete them in time, you get rewards. However when you start getting more powerful, due to fear they give you more ridiculous orders until one day their orders are to ask your faction leader to kill himself with no option to refuse. So you say I refuse and you have to fight not only the senate but the other two Roman factions. You crush them and become sole ruler of Rome.

Unless Chinese leaders are completely braindead, there's no way they don't see this sort of thing happening. The point is to buy enough time so when the day USA tells China that Xi Jinping should kill himself, China will be ready to say go f urself and end their rule. You only have one chance for these sort of things, so you need to do everything you can do to win in the end. If you win, all the humiliation up to then is instantly forgotten coz the other side don't want to be reminded that they started something they lost.
 
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zhangjim said:
The idea is good, but the workings of the world are not entirely within one's control.
The statement issued by G7 has shown that member states faithfully adhere to the will of the United States，so those opportunists will inevitably have the illusion of receiving strong support.

The conflicts around China will inevitably be triggered by the Americans, and I would like to see if the leadership has the determination to defend territorial integrity, or if they will once again use economic development as an excuse to pretend that a crisis does not exist.

In the current situation, it is foolish and cowardly to imagine that one still wants to rely on economic factors to avoid conflicts. Those grand and long-term plans cannot be used as an excuse for inaction. Therefore, do not blame the opponent for constantly making more demanding demands.The result of not taking the initiative is to allow opponents to create greater crises.
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Many other countries are blinded by either conscious or unconscious racism, or they are simply bandwagoning to be followers of the perceived leading power. If the United States were to actually suffer a clear undeniable military defeat at the hands of China, then these countries might rapidly find ways of switching sides or declaring neutrality.

Time is on China's side though so why risk it earlier when the odds may shift further in China's favor in the future? Outside of a military defeat, something like mass civil unrest, civil war, or splitting up of the United States may also damage its standing further and lead to some of these followers drifting away, without requiring any risk or losses from China. The political polarization is so bad now that those possibilities that were previously unthinkable are now actually being discussed as possibilities.

Also as technology further advances, China stands to significantly overtake the United States in the general adoption of these new technologies especially given the sanction happy mentality of the United States these days. When the difference in technology and quality of life becomes more undeniable, more apparent, and more widely known, then there may also be drifting away of support. Right now there is still a lot of ignorance and misconception by people within the United States and the other countries that are following it right now. Many are still mired in old stereotypes and outdated imagery.
 
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BoraTas said:
Some weird portions of anti-imperialist community are in shambles. I am one of those people who think China should solve the Taiwan problem soon. But suggesting that China needs to hurry is a massive nonsense. They will be in a much better position to solve it in even just 5 years. Why throw all those advantages away? Even 15 years is a very short time frame for nations.
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It ultimately comes down to which fight is preferable. A difficult war in the short term and an occupied population that still has some sort of Chinese identity, or an easier war in the long term and the potential for an insurgency, perhaps even a foreign funded one. I don't really care which option is selected in the end, so long as the choice is a winning choice and the coastline is secured.

Also anyone who still thinks peaceful reunification is possible is ignoring history. Anti-mainland sentiments have been directly proportional to China's economic growth for more than a decade now.
 
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Iracundus said:
Many other countries are blinded by either conscious or unconscious racism, or they are simply bandwagoning to be followers of the perceived leading power.
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It's much worse than that. US actually has a considerable presence and influence in most countries, in the form of NGO's and multiple consulates. Those NGO's hire private contractors to do the dirty work on behalf of USG, which include bribing, propaganda, projecting influence, financing and supporting violence, uprisings, protests and civil unrests, etc., especially if the host country is practicing some form of democracy where political leaders can be bought out easily. Worst case scenarios, US also has military presence in the host country or nearby regions. Pakistan is a good example; American NGO's here have a solid grip on Pakistan's education system, media, political parties, and factions within the military. China is Pakistan's closest ally and largest trading partner, yet the size difference of the Chinese embassy versus the American' is staggering. And then there are American vassals from Europe who have similar systems in place, notably UK, Germany, and France. So long as this system exists, it will be difficult to unfollow the US. I really haven't seen China challenge the US in this system.
 
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