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TK3600

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I dont think Palestinians are doomed yet. If they were, Israel would not hesitate to make it.

Other Arabs and Iranians, they have room to compromise with Americans and Israel. Palestinians have unresolvable dispute with Israel, so they are valuable.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Quote the whole post rather than truncate it for your agenda.
Um, no. You quote the relevent parts. You ever do research? You quote the whole book or just the relevant phrase?
I stated that even a symbolic action is better than just offering thoughts and prayers.
Yeah, you said symbolic is better but I disagree. It's useless and also, it doesn't mean that you don't "tolerate" anything because doing something symbolic means you'll still have to tolerate the genocide because you failed to stop the genocide. And also, you said symbolic is better than nothing; that does not conflict what you repeatedly implying that you'd go to the military option had you not met such resistance from your peers.
Just like how No First Use is completely unenforceable but is still foundational to China's development of conventionally tipped ICBM.
Completely unrelated.
Again, cutting out context. I even describe the questions as rhetorical because of PRC's non-interference policy. The CPC will not commit to any of the things I listed.
The non-interference policy is not the issue; the issue is that you cannot stop them without killing them and starting WWIII. You stated the military option twice as a question and that's on top of your implication that if we do not bleed or burn resources, we can at least use sanctions.
No, military force is not the only way to exert pressure to get what you want. Unrestricted Warfare was written explicitly for that reason. The current SCS gray zone actions is evidence that you can impose your will upon other nations without escalating immediately to shooting.
I said with the Israelis. On certain people, sanctions and lesser efforts can work, like in the SCS. But Israel is as dedicated to wiping out Palestine as China is to repatrioting Taiwan. Neither will be rebuffed by sanctions once things get hot.
Ad hominem? Really?
Omg you're hilarious. You start by calling me an asshole and now you're crying about ad hominems??
Realpolitik has its place but are you really suggesting that morality and ethics should have no place in international relations? Is a system that functions strictly on ruthless pragmatism the best or even the most desirable?
It's not the most desireable for everyone but realpolitik and force determine everything. A morality and ethnics discussion is basically a useless circle jerk amongst bleeding hearts. If you don't have the power to shape something, it will be shaped by those who do.
Quoting a tailored except of what I said is no better.
No, for anyone who has ever published anything or written academically, this is how you quote people, not on EVERYTHING they said.
I posted this vid by a Muslim geopolitical analyst earlier. Can you dispute what he says?
I'm not takng 25 minutes to watch that. You can summarize the points you want me to dispute.
China should never rule out increased defenses for Palestine either.
Specifically, how? You can provide them with smaller weapons to make things costlier for Israeli but people can't fight bombs and air strikes with assault rifles and grenades.
It's nowhere near a foregone conclusion that they lose. There's already a decent diaspora, there's people in the west bank. There's Arab Israeli citizens. Israel does not have the ability or even plans to get rid of all native semites within at least 10 years. Worries that Palestine will become like truly successfully genocided people are for now unfounded.
Look the the time lapse map of Palestine and Isreal. How much space was Palestinian and how much Israeli when Israel was founded? How much space do they each control now? That big picture shows me that the Palestinians have almost no chance of holding on. It doesn't mean they'll be gone next week but that's the long term trend.
The way I see it, China needs to humble the Arabs first. Arabs have shamefully allowed themselves to be colonized. They must reverse their mentality, otherwise, any significant boons to the Palestinian cause will be wasted by people who don't have the willpower to fight.
OK... that's another way but the way I see it, China needs to dethrone America. From then on, all will be easy.
But whenever the situation presents wherein China can inflict maximum pain on America through tough action on Israel, Beijing should not hesitate to execute it. The whole reason China is involved in the ME to begin with is to curtail American threat, not stop locals from attacking other locals. The Arab cause simply aligns as the one that is most useful right now.
I wouldn't even call it pain but to complicate America's plans and to mire it further. Unfortunately, I don't see how any of them can stop Israel's genocide of Palestinian children.
 

pmc

Major
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The height of Muslim power was when Salahuddin defeated the Christian armies over Jerusalem. When one of the other Muslim commanders said that all victories are the will of God, Salahuddin retorted, "God did not will these victories to the Muslims until I came."
lol. when is Jerusalem measurement of power?. Was he fighting in Northern Europe?.
The Height of Muslim power or shall i say Royal Arabic power is Now. These Gulf Emirates enjoys the highest standard of living and still outproducing in demographics every one else. They can easily impose Japanese/Korean trade on Europe but since they want Japanese/Korean quality of Arms/products/Services/Construction in Gulf Emirates they want to keep those things to themselves as they know the population trajectory. you can research this New Europe again. These Arab Royals are basically 24/7 in Russia. it is too shape the region without any one understanding it. Putin spend three days in Uzbekistan. (three days is very rare to stay in one foreign city) Every thing was about business including Romanov dynasty museum in Tashkent. but what was not very highlighted was that Russian muslims also came in the visit and they were doing tour of religious places and society. these three days gave them time.
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manqiangrexue

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I let you off the hook once before cus you're a poor Arab boy trying to feel important. Don't put your stupid head under my guillotine or I will chop it off again.
lol. when is Jerusalem measurement of power?. Was he fighting in Northern Europe?.
The Height of Muslim power or shall i say Royal Arabic power is Now. These Gulf Emirates enjoys the highest standard of living and still outproducing in demographics every one else. They can easily impose Japanese/Korean trade on Europe but since they want Japanese/Korean quality of Arms/products/Services/Construction in Gulf Emirates they want to keep those things to themselves as they know the population trajectory. you can research this New Europe again. These Arab Royals are basically 24/7 in Russia. it is too shape the region without any one understanding it. Putin spend three days in Uzbekistan. (three days is very rare to stay in one foreign city) Every thing was about business including Romanov dynasty museum in Tashkent. but what was not very highlighted was that Russian muslims also came in the visit and they were doing tour of religious places and society. these three days gave them time.
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Salahuddin's armies could actually fight the Christians and win. He could impose his will upon the enemies of Muslims.

Today's pathetic Arabs buy weapons from the Christians and sit there like fat piles of shit enjoying the profits of their oil while they are powerless and without even the fighting spirit to defend their fellow Muslims in a Genocide. Israel, USA, any European country could beat Saudi Arabia's ass in a war if they wanted to. They have no power today but are only useless fat lap dogs.
 

GZDRefugee

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Um, no. You quote the relevent parts. You ever do research? You quote the whole book or just the relevant phrase?
If there's context that relates to the quote, then it should be included. I mean sure you can quote something without context, then prepare to get fucked when someone actually goes and looks at what you quoted. "All warfare is based" -Sun Tzu
Yeah, you said symbolic is better but I disagree. It's useless and also, it doesn't mean that you don't "tolerate" anything because doing something symblic means you'll still have to tolerate it. And also, you said symbolic is better than nothing; that does not conflict what you repeatedly implying that you'd go to the military option had you not met such resistance from your peers.
Who knows, perhaps a symbolic gesture by a major power will snowball. Suppose the US sanctions Israel, can the Israeli continue to indiscriminately kill Palestinians?
There is always a point where cost cannot be sustained. If the entire fucking planet was hellbent on preventing Palestinian genocide, are you suggesting that Israel will fight everyone?
Omg you're hilarious. You start by calling me an asshole and now you're crying about ad hominems??
No, for anyone who has ever published anything or written academically, this is how you quote people, not on EVERYTHING they said.
You called me and I quote "dickhead".
I'm not takng 25 minutes to watch that. You can summarize the points you want me to dispute.
  1. Statements about Muslim disunity come from pro-Zionist sources
  2. Contrary to said pro-Zionist sources the ME has been increasingly exercising their sovereignty and independence for years now
  3. The Muslim nations in the region have been supporting Palestine and have contributed the most aid compared to the rest of the world
 

Index

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Specifically, how? You can provide them with smaller weapons to make things costlier for Israeli but people can't fight bombs and air strikes with assault rifles and grenades.
Air strikes require planes and airfields, which are weak to being destroyed by waves of advanced munitions launched from nearby countries. Israel is a 10 compared to Palestinian 1, but Russia is a 100 and China is 1000, if there is a will to punish Israel from the outside, there is a way. And if America is gonna be aggressive in other parts of the world, no sense in ruling out kicking them in their crown jewels to retaliate.
Look the the time lapse map of Palestine and Isreal. How much space was Palestinian and how much Israeli when Israel was founded? How much space do they each control now? That big picture shows me that the Palestinians have almost no chance of holding on. It doesn't mean they'll be gone next week but that's the long term trend.
How many victories did the khazarian people win in the holy land before they found a superpower willing to endorse their claim in exchange for fealty?

The Arab people just need to go all in and side with the preeminent economy which effectively also makes the strongest superpower of today. Use only yuan for transfers, restrict US access to resources, pursue robust, "prefabricated homemade" military developments ala Iran, and share said weapons, intel and covert ops with friendly nations globally.
OK... that's another way but the way I see it, China needs to dethrone America. From then on, all will be easy.

I wouldn't even call it pain but to complicate America's plans and to mire it further. Unfortunately, I don't see how any of them can stop Israel's genocide of Palestinian children.
I don't think we disagree on that much, what I'm saying is that China can let Arabs stew until Arabs actually show that they've learned which power they should side with. And I'm also saying Israel can't erase Palestinians in at least several decades, if ever.

Sure there is humanitarian disaster but unless Arabic countries choose the right side of history, more children will keep dying.
 

pmc

Major
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I let you off the hook once before cus you're a poor Arab boy trying to feel important. Don't put your stupid head under my guillotine or I will chop it off again.

Salahuddin's armies could actually fight the Christians and win. He could impose his will upon the enemies of Muslims.

Today's pathetic Arabs buy weapons from the Christians and sit there like fat piles of shit enjoying the profits of their oil while they are powerless and without even the fighting spirit to defend their fellow Muslims in a Genocide. Israel, USA, any European country could beat Saudi Arabia's ass in a war if they wanted to. They have no power today but are only useless fat lap dogs.
you just dont see it what is important for them and why they want to engage some one to create distractions.
let any one try attack Saudi and see what happens. Saudis are much tougher than Kuwaits.
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FriedButter

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I dont think Palestinians are doomed yet. If they were, Israel would not hesitate to make it.

Feels more pessimistic rather than optimistic. The only thing that really stood in the way is the election and with the Egyptians proving to be even more spineless (by having no spine at all) than the Turks or even the Mexicans. It appears they are more likely on borrowed time until the elections are concluded.
 

taxiya

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@GZDRefugee, you started off from the wrong ground (IMO) by making China somehow guilty of not doing enough, that is IMO moral hijacking in the same way as westerners demanding China to take in refugees during the European refugee crisis. Last time it was the western media, agents or some of their followers in China did it, I hope you are not falling into that trick. No matter what is going on, it isn't China's thing untill it directly affect Chinese citizens. China being bigger and stronger doen't make China responsible of doing anything for others. People should not demand help/favor but ask, and appreciate whatever help they receives.

Any detail (softer sanction to harder intervention) you debated afterwards isn't exactly why many here object you. If you clearly acknowledged that your start point was wrong, there won't be these many pages of back and forth. On the other hand if you are trying to defend your starting point, then I suggest others here to ignore and move on because all the points are clearly presented. Either way, it is time to stop.
 
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