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_killuminati_

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The Muslim problem is that they are too dedicated to their god and have allowed it to give them a false sense of security and lulled them into laziness. They should spend 30 seconds a day praying and 15 hours a day studying the sciences including physics, engineering, computer science, etc... Instead, they neglect the sciences while spending most of the day praying and talking about god, thinking that this will make him "forbid" the slaughter and defeat of Muslims. Because of this weakness, their societies are weak, and thus susceptible to American assassination and manipulation.
This is totally wrong. Muslims today are more irreligious and secular than ever in history. Secular education is a core commandment of Islamic scripture, in addition to religious study. Studying Islam is at an all time low. They are entirely under the influence of the West. Foreign "NGO's" do the secular indoctrinating: developing s̶t̶u̶d̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ slaves to serve the West, while a small minority are enrolled in Islamic studies. Almost nobody is involved in both simultaneously which was the hallmark of scientists in the Islamic Golden Age.

The problem of Muslims is so deep that even the odd Muslim is unaware of it, as well as many unfortunate Islamic historians and scholars who attribute the decline of Islamic society to the (Mongol) Siege of Baghdad in the 13th century. However, immediately after the siege occurred a widespread phenomenon that Muslims do not talk about (because they are mostly unaware): the annihilation of Mu'tazila and full adoption of other philosophical thoughts.

The Mu'tazila were "free thinkers" involved in interpreting and practicing Islam based on logic and rationality. The Golden Age of Islam, from Samarkand to Baghdad to Cordoba, was under the influence of Mu'tazila thought. Why and how they disappeared is a real mystery, but it's no surprise the decline of Islamic society transpired simultaneously. Now, mu'tazila is used an offensive slur.

The other problem is rampant corruption and covert foreign intervention in Islamic countries. NGO game is strong.
 

Virtup

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This is totally wrong. Muslims today are more irreligious and secular than ever in history. Secular education is a core commandment of Islamic scripture, in addition to religious study. Studying Islam is at an all time low. They are entirely under the influence of the West. Foreign "NGO's" do the secular indoctrinating: developing s̶t̶u̶d̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ slaves to serve the West, while a small minority are enrolled in Islamic studies. Almost nobody is involved in both simultaneously which was the hallmark of scientists in the Islamic Golden Age.

The problem of Muslims is so deep that even the odd Muslim is unaware of it, as well as many unfortunate Islamic historians and scholars who attribute the decline of Islamic society to the (Mongol) Siege of Baghdad in the 13th century. However, immediately after the siege occurred a widespread phenomenon that Muslims do not talk about (because they are mostly unaware): the annihilation of Mu'tazila and full adoption of other philosophical thoughts.

The Mu'tazila were "free thinkers" involved in interpreting and practicing Islam based on logic and rationality. The Golden Age of Islam, from Samarkand to Baghdad to Cordoba, was under the influence of Mu'tazila thought. Why and how they disappeared is a real mystery, but it's no surprise the decline of Islamic society transpired simultaneously. Now, mu'tazila is used an offensive slur.

The other problem is rampant corruption and covert foreign intervention in Islamic countries. NGO game is strong.
THIS. Studying the different sciences and working hard are actually core tenets of Islam. The first word in Quran to ever be spoken is read. That's how important seeking and accumulating knowledge is in Islam, which is logical because it is stated that understanding the intricacies of the universe and the human body allows one to better appreciate God's power of creation.
The main problem with Muslims today is that they no longer understand what their religion is about. Instead of treating it as a way of leading a purposeful existence with a clear end-goal, most of them consider it a bunch of rituals they have to do like a chore. Those who don't are ignorant folks who spend their entire lives praying without doing anything of worth, forgetting that God is no fool and doesn't help the lazy.
The fall of Muslims from grace is an extremely complicated subject with a huge number of factors at play. All I can say is that like all civilizations, they've had their golden age and are now going through their pathetic phase (but hey, at least they didn't disappear like other less fortunate civs).
 

Sardaukar20

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What counts as a "low yield" in terms retaliation? If the US drop a 20 Kt nuke over a Chinese port will that be a "low yield" tactical attack that doesn't deserve retaliation? Then if China drop a 40 Kt nuke over a Hawaiian port does that give the US freedom to use 80 Kt nukes over Chinese military targets? After that, does China also have the freedom to drop 120 Kt nukes over US military targets? Is bombing "tactical cities" with megaton nukes a valid target? There are even rules in nuclear war?
The American chicken-hawks were talking about dropping 5kT "low yield" Trident-launched nukes on a Chinese port city, then China would have to suck it up because apparently "5kT is not nuclear". They've even talked about using these "low yield" nukes on Russian troop formation in Eastern Europe and then dare the Russians to reply in kind. They are essentially playing chicken with nuclear war. This is pure stupidity and insanity of the highest order.

First of all, a 5kT nuke is still a nuke. China and Russia don't have any bullshit criteria that classifies nukes below any threshold as "non-nuclear". Both will reply with nuclear weapons of their own, regardless of size. Even if China does have tactical nukes and proceeds to destroy a US fleet. The American hawks will most certainly fly into psychotic rage. They won't care if the Chinese nuke is 20kT or 200kT, they'll most certainly reply with strategic nukes to show China who's boss. And then its full-scale nuclear exchange.

Second, and most importantly. When the US launches Trident missiles carrying "low-yield" W76-2 warheads, its still a Trident missile attack. China and Russia won't know if they are "low-yield" warheads anyway, and they can easily interpret that as a full-scale strategic strike, and reply accordingly. The W76-2 "low-yield" warhead is the same W76-1 warhead without the secondary thermonuclear stage. So, the enemy can't tell if its really the W76-2, 5kT warhead or the W76-1, 90kT strategic warhead, and have to assume the worse case scenario.

These moron chicken hawks in America just don't realize that there is no such things as a nuke for conventional war. They are so used to shooting and bombing enemies who couldn't shoot back over the years. So when confronted by an enemy who can shoot back, and hit back hard, they cannot fathom the possibility of defeat. Hence they want to move up to nukes for some sick satisfaction. That is why they need to be made aware, that he enemy has nukes too and has enough of them kill them all. Russia is there already, and China has to get there ASAP.
 
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tokenanalyst

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The American chicken-hawks were talking about dropping 5kT "low yield" Trident-launched nukes on a Chinese port city, then China would have to suck it up because apparently "5kT is not nuclear".
There is no way is this blue earth that a 5kt explosion will pass a "non nuclear" when the largest non nuclear weapon in the US arsenal is MOAB with just 11 tons, they are out of touch with reality if they think that, at the point exploding a 20kt nuke over a US military base or carrier group will be also "non nuclear".
 

GZDRefugee

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He's talking about kicking off WWIII to dethrone the US now. Nukes, all out strikes, cus he can't "stomach" seeing dead children anymore.
Someone is certainly full of themselves. At no point did I advocate for military action; the most I suggested was official state sanctions on Israel.
 

AssassinsMace

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Westerners literally “get off” when they think they’ve found the magical excuse for something that doesn’t allow anyone else except themselves to do it. Like I’ve mentioned before, they thought China was limited to 400 nukes because they thought that’s all they can produce. Why do they think that’s the case? Because they want to believe China isn’t capable of being responsible and understand when enough is enough. They think China would build as many nukes as possible but since they only have 400 nukes, it’s only because that’s China’s capable limit. That’s why chicken hawks in the US were laughing at China’s pitiful 400 nukes and therefore why Trump demanded China be a part of strategic reduction talks while out loud call for the US to increase its number of nukes. Now China is adding an unprecedented thousand more nukes over the next decade. What is the US going to do about it? Go to nuclear war…?

The same dumb logic blinds them now over “low” yield nukes. They’re all excited that they think they got something over China and China can’t doing anything about it. How about China churning out “low” yield nukes like it were candy and since the chicken hawks think they’re not considered “nuclear” strikes, China will be able to use them left and right on the US and its allies. Then the chicken hawks will take an uncontrolled dump in their underwear because they didn’t see that coming and cry foul as usual.

And Westerners get offended because the Chinese refer to them as being barbarians… That’s because they are a bunch of barbarians with how they think. “ It’s a genocide when you do it but not when I do it!” “It’s not considered a nuclear strike when I do it but is when you do it.”

Just look at advanced semiconductors. The West is trying to stop China from being self-sufficient so they think just denying whites from China’s process will do the trick. Then China breaks the 7nm barrier of what the West says is considered up there with the most advanced technology that genetically only white people can achieve. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they move the bar and now claim that’s China’s capable limit. And all of this is because the West doesn’t want to let go believing whites are genetically superior despite how it makes them make the wrong decision.
 
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supersnoop

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Soviet GDP was highly understated due to low value put on services. US GDP was also overstated due to overengineered products. just the size/weight of US made automobile was two to three times of Soviet Autos but it does not mean it translate to greater efficiency but more consumption of materials and energy. but in key measures like Energy productions, Self developed Aviation, Education, Railway transportation Soviets were not behind. and Semicon at that time did not play that big role. that FBW IL-96 came out ahead of 777 and so does Buran/Space station. I think only Soviet/Russian Sub has salvo fired 16 SLBMs. Soviet put great emphasis on Fundamental science that later gave huge contribution in Post Soviet era.
what has fundamentally changed that Europe has lost its independence and non aligned India/Hispanic world has become largest supplier of human capital to West. while demographic decline of Japan/Korea force them to invest more and more in US aligned countries. Arabs are now primary relying on Boeing/Airbus. it not just business but they get a peak at other societies. (who are buying business class vs Premier economy tickets in particular route). This whole system is built for Global North even the weather.

Let me know if you prefer the overengineering of American cars vs. a Soviet Lada when Вова пил немного водка
 
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