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manqiangrexue said:

America's success came from establishing the world order into a system highly advantageous to itself after WWII and then poaching scientists thereafter. A country playing the same game without the same rules set to its advantage has no chance of achieving the same result. Only science defeats law and politics, not a mirror game from an unfavorable platform.

"2) Its a very typical asian idea to try to simply flee back to safety. While I agree that repatriation to China is the ultimate end goal, that is not the primary objective in the initial phases, we need protests and mobilization among multiple media and social channels. Again, huge amounts of the population were against BLM, but their mobilization still brought America to paralysis and raised serious existential questions. We cannot go wagging a tail between the two legs now fleeing back to china, it just perpetuates the narrative of the chinese spy/coward and invites more attack against the remaining community that is here."

This, your attack on sea turtles who realize the value of their knowledge (rather than that of some desperado last stand in their house clutching their guns in the West) and who are willing to return home to contribute to Chinese science, is what got you the dressing down I gave. You've absorbed so much Western culture that your ideas resemble more the useless angry gun-touting Texan rather than the bane-of-the-West Asian math/science/tech/econ whiz, to the point where you are creating Asian stereotypes for you to vent your anger on by insulting.

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Please understand that your self-described dressing-down is completely ineffective, and counter-productive. No matter how much your patriotism for China, China will not let you back into the country right now (unless you are a CN citizen) rightfully as you represent a COVID risk that could result in another lockdown for our country. You don't have the luxury of being back in China, your here right now and at more acute risk than the average SDF forumer because while Canada certainly isnt great to be chinese, it still better than the US. Unless you are already working remotely for a Chinese company and contributing to the struggle right now, there is little you can do other than protect your personal safety, and maybe support Chinese companies by being a pro-active consumer. We all have some level of disposable income which we can use. Like I said previously, the escalation matrix between the US and China has gone faster than most of us anticipated, and there is no guarantee of an immediate return to china. We wouldn't even have had this conversation a few months ago, let alone a year ago. An ineffective stand against the latest attacks simply invites more attacks in the time period before repatriation.

I understand your long-term strategy, it is valid and I was never in disagreement. I am talking about the short term steps necessary to ensure there is still the ability to repatriate to China as per the long-term strategy.

AndrewS said:

I would second the business route, but I also think it's more useful to work outside of China if you don't have a specific technical specialty.

You have 1400 million people in China who generally don't have very good English, nor do they really understand what is happening outside. At the same time, Chinese companies are looking to go global.

Then you have about 500 million people in mainland Europe, 600 million in ASEAN and billions more in Africa, Middle East etc. They are generally neutral on China, but they don't know much about China either.

And out of those 4+ billion, I would say that there are literally only a handful of people who are comfortable operating between China-USA, China-Europe, China-Africa, etc

So matter what your niche, there is something which can probably work for you outside of a hostile anglosphere.

Things like importing, distributing or creating products from China
Or perhaps working for a Chinese company overseas or in a European multinational which has switched to English as their internal language.
Or arranging billions in financing for renewable energy projects, which tends to use Chinese companies or banks.
These are just a few areas which I've had second-hand experience of, but the possibilities are endless

So it's not just about strengthening China.
It's also about strengthening the rest of the world, so they are better able to resist US political pressure.

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I would agree that if you dont have a specific technical specialty, the best place to work is still in the neutral zone outside the anglosphere. Our best and highest value is not necessarily technical capability, but the ability to move between different political cultural systems. I would actually say the most favourable places to work are likely in SEA/ME/Africa. ME and Africa still use English as the primary method of international commerce and interaction, with French close behind. LATAM never globalized to the extent of SEA/ME, so Spanish would be still more required.

The anglosphere is still the worlds most technologically advanced region on average (at this stage), so its important to use the non-aligned world to diffuse anglosphere knowledge and capabilities into the sinosphere in areas we are still vulnerable.

solarz said:

Are you suggesting I move to Australia?

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The thought never occurred to me. Because you chose to in Canada, I guess you like the cold. Anyway I thought it surprising that Australia has not joined USA UK Canada in accusing China of genocide? Perhaps they are learning.

Dolcevita said:

This is how i see things. I would rather earn a living in the US because you get the biggest $ for the least amount of work. Even no talent BS artist can make good money in the US. I never understood why everyone keeps saying the US is a service economy. Experience tells me that the quality of services in the US is extra-ordinarily poor. Just look at your place of employment and how many people are just freeloaders and hardly contributing to society.

On the other hand, I would rather spend my money in China or Asia because I can get the best bang for my money. Better value and services. Sometimes the quality of services I receive in Asia continues to surprise me.

Fortunately I have this opportunity to my best advantage.

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Just to expand on this idea. I get better customer service from a $3 noodle shop in Asia compared to an upscale restaurant in US where I cannot get services from any of the attendant just because my attending waitress had to go to a 30 minute break. She then expects a 20% tip for drawing a smiley face on my bill.

j17wang said:

I would agree that if you dont have a specific technical specialty, the best place to work is still in the neutral zone outside the anglosphere. Our best and highest value is not necessarily technical capability, but the ability to move between different political cultural systems. I would actually say the most favourable places to work are likely in SEA/ME/Africa. ME and Africa still use English as the primary method of international commerce and interaction, with French close behind. LATAM never globalized to the extent of SEA/ME, so Spanish would be still more required.

The anglosphere is still the worlds most technologically advanced region on average (at this stage), so its important to use the non-aligned world to diffuse anglosphere knowledge and capabilities into the sinosphere in areas we are still vulnerable.

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What anglosphere knowledge and capabilities are you referring to?

j17wang said:

Please understand that your self-described dressing-down is completely ineffective, and counter-productive. No matter how much your patriotism for China, China will not let you back into the country right now (unless you are a CN citizen) rightfully as you represent a COVID risk that could result in another lockdown for our country. You don't have the luxury of being back in China, your here right now and at more acute risk than the average SDF forumer because while Canada certainly isnt great to be chinese, it still better than the US. Unless you are already working remotely for a Chinese company and contributing to the struggle right now, there is little you can do other than protect your personal safety, and maybe support Chinese companies by being a pro-active consumer. We all have some level of disposable income which we can use. Like I said previously, the escalation matrix between the US and China has gone faster than most of us anticipated, and there is no guarantee of an immediate return to china. We wouldn't even have had this conversation a few months ago, let alone a year ago. An ineffective stand against the latest attacks simply invites more attacks in the time period before repatriation.

I understand your long-term strategy, it is valid and I was never in disagreement. I am talking about the short term steps necessary to ensure there is still the ability to repatriate to China as per the long-term strategy.

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I'm not talking about short term strategy. Nobody needs to pack their bags and go now. This has nothing to do with COVID and the short term logistics obstacles that it presents to people trying to travel internationally. Everything I was talking about is long term strategy and an understanding of how to ultimately contribute to China. My short term strategy is to stay alert, stay safe, don't go to farm festivals full of racist hicks. Keep myself in one piece so I can deliver that piece with everything I have packed into my brain to China.

I'm not even thinking about how to counter the attacks against Asians other than to be aware of my surroundings and to keep myself safe. The biggest challenge that America can present to China is to vie against it to keep Chinese scholars, scientists, engineers, rich people in the US helping America instead of going back to China. Brain drain is the biggest threat to Chinese development. And with these anti-Asian hate crimes, it's only shooting the US in the foot and helping China. Does it make me angry hearing about them in the news? Does it boil my blood to think that these people might target my mother? Of course. But the most important thing is that they do that to others as well. They do that to the young Chinese-American Silicon Valley engineer, and to the Chinese overseas biotechnology PhD student who wanted to stay in the US after graduation. These people feel less and less American and more and more Chinese as these incidents hit the news and they worry about themselves, their parents if they are in the US, and the future of their children if they wanted to raise them in America. It makes them want to go back to China for safety, and to defeat this new evil. And that's why it would actually help America if you could successfully counter them. It even shows Koreans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc... that as Asians, they are all connected to China. When China rises, when China looks good, all Asians, themselves included, look good. When China looks bad, they as Asians pay the consequences; all Asians including them look bad. Their fates and fortunes are tied to China's, so whom should they help? That's why when these things happen, I don't try to counter them or to fight them because even if I could, I wouldn't trouble myself to clean America's internal rot making it more competitive against China. Instead, I take it as bitter medicine that overseas Asians desperately need to understand who they are, what side they are on and what they should do.

voyager1 said:

I mean the US has continued with its aggressive rhetoric against China even days before the meeting so obviously there is not any goodwill here. And China doesn't have a lot to win with the meeting, maybe they want the tariffs dropped but it is political suicide for Biden to do.

China should quit the meeting as a matter of principle, you dont talk with someone so aggressive in rhetoric. However practically it would be good to have some first diplomatic talks to set some rules on the ground, talk the differences and draw red lines

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I agree with you until the last line. For the past few years, the Chinese have warned the US about crossing red lines too many times to count, and the US keeps on testing these lines. It is as if the lines have no actual effect on the US's decision making process and almost as if they arent scared of the Chinese leadership. In my opinion, the Chinese should just cancel the meeting, citing the US's rhetoric and just not talk to them on the diplomatic level for at least another year until the US calms down and shows "goodwill".

Dolcevita said:

Just to expand on this idea. I get better customer service from a $3 noodle shop in Asia compared to an upscale restaurant in US where I cannot get services from any of the attendant just because my attending waitress had to go to a 30 minute break. She then expects a 20% tip for drawing a smiley face on my bill.

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I'm just wondering, where you would rather be if you were to fall seriously ill? My father has friends that left the UK after retirement to live in Greece/Spain, all was good but as they progressed into their 70's and 80's those same countries could not provide the medical services of a standard that the UK could, so they sold up and went back to the UK.

Like a racist wouldn't have sex with another race? So when a racist rapes a woman of another race, it's no racism at all? Why kill if he had a sex addiction? Was it because of stereotypes of Asian women weren't fulfilled that he thought he deserved so he thought he could kill because the women of this race didn't give him what he wanted? They always say rape isn't about sex. It's about power. Racists want to express power over other races. Another belief to narrow the definition of racism for themselves. You better believe they don't want it to be about race because that makes the US look bad. Even the Secretary of State Antony Blinken while in South Korea where US soldiers rape and murder South Korean women had to address this incident when at least four of the women murdered were Korean. If there wasn't an identity of race that translates to the other side of the world, why would you have to address it?

LawLeadsToPeace said:

I agree with you until the last line. For the past few years, the Chinese have warned the US about crossing red lines too many times to count, and the US keeps on testing these lines. It is as if the lines have no actual effect on the US's decision making process and almost as if they arent scared of the Chinese leadership. In my opinion, the Chinese should just cancel the meeting, citing the US's rhetoric and just not talk to them on the diplomatic level for at least another year until the US calms down and shows "goodwill".

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There is nothing bad about talking and diplomacy.

I mean, you know what they say, "talk is cheap". If Xi wants to, he can send his foreign minister in Alaska, build a house there and then stay there for 4 years talking all day long. Thats their job to talk. And after 4 years passed maybe he can talk with a new foreign minister from the US side!

Talks dont matter a lot but it is useful if you can find the differences and then set some rules on how you will manage these differences.

However if the US at any point tries to say anything about Taiwan independence or anything similar (previously Blinken said Taiwan is a country, not a province) the meeting should be called off