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Randomuser said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762116557574930749

So apparently the almighty American Abrams tank gets destroyed by some cheap Russian drone.

People say Russian performance is embarrassing. But frankly this war has exposed how a lot of western hyped weapons are overpriced junk only good for fighting illiterate goat farmers (and still losing)

I wouldn't be surprised if China has drones or missiles designed to blow up air craft carriers and fighter jets. All that American hype showing off it's Navy and jets suddenly doesn't look so good when they become large paperweights. But they have to justify their sunk cost.

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TK3600 said:

Looks like the blow out panel didn't protect it, the tank cooked and blew up.

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Rank Amateur said:

The blow-out panels of the Abrams aren't meant to prevent the bustle-stored ammunition from combusting if hit. Rather, they're designed to channel the combustion up through the turret roof, protecting the crew and the rest of the tank. If an Abrams is hit in the bustle and the ammo there goes off, the vehicle will be mission-killed, but it won't be "kill" killed. For instance, it won't toss its turret à la carousel autoloader tanks.

If the video does in fact show an Abrams, the footage is entirely consistent with the blow-out panels working properly and venting the ammo combustion up and out, leaving a live crew and a tank that's relatively easy to repair.

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TK3600 said:

Did crew get out? I didn't see.

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_killuminati_ said:

It's nothing really to gloat (or worry) about since it was part of a treaty agreed upon by both countries. That river flows through the city I lived in and it went dry when I was still living there 27 years ago.

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siegecrossbow said:

It was incapacitated by FPVs before ATGM finished it off. I assume crew ran for safety

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NATO troops in Ukraine can’t be ruled out – Macron​

French President Emmanual Macron has argued that deployments of troops to Ukraine by NATO members and other allies cannot be ruled out because Western powers must stop at nothing to ensure that Russia does not defeat Kiev’s forces.

“There’s no consensus today to send, in an official manner, troops on the ground,” Macron told reporters after hosting a meeting of European leaders on Monday in Paris. “But in terms of dynamics, we cannot exclude anything. We will do everything necessary to prevent Russia from winning this war.”

France hosted Monday’s summit of Ukraine backers to demonstrate steadfast support and European unity amid concerns that US aid to Kiev may stop, especially if Donald Trump wins this year’s presidential election. Macron said that while Ukraine’s European allies want to avoid escalating the conflict into a direct war with Russia, they agree that they must do more to ensure that Moscow doesn’t win.

“We have to take stock of the situation and realize our collective security is at stake,” the French leader said. “We have to ratchet up. Russia must not win, not only for Ukraine, but secondly, we are, by doing so, ensuring our collective security for today and for the future.”

Macron noted that the allies who say “never, ever” today about direct troop deployments to Ukraine are the same ones that previously ruled out escalations of military aid that were later granted, including long-range missiles and fighter jets. “Two years ago, a lot around this table said that we will offer helmets and sleeping bags, and now they’re saying we need to do more to get missiles and tanks to Ukraine. We have to be humble and realize that we’ve always been six to eight months late, so we’ll do what is needed to achieve our aim.”

There is broad consensus among the nations represented at Monday’s meeting that the allies must provide more aid to Ukraine and step up more quickly, Macron claimed. “We are not at war with the Russian people, but we cannot let them win in Ukraine,” he said, adding, “We are determined to do everything necessary for as long as necessary. That is the key takeaway from this evening.”

Washington ran out of money for Ukraine last month, after burning through $113 billion in congressionally approved aid packages. US President Joe Biden is seeking an additional $60 billion in Ukraine funding as part of an emergency spending bill that also includes aid for Israel and Taiwan. Conservative Republican lawmakers have balked at approving more aid for Ukraine, saying Biden is merely prolonging the conflict without changing its outcome. Trump has claimed he will end the crisis within 24 hours by forcing Ukrainian and Russian leaders to the negotiating table.

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“We have to ratchet up. Russia must not win, not only for Ukraine, but secondly, we are, by doing so, ensuring our collective security for today and for the future.”

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We have to be humble and realize that we’ve always been six to eight months late, so we’ll do what is needed to achieve our aim.”

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TK3600 said:

Pity, would have made a nice trophy parked in Patriotic Park along with nazi tanks for some humor.

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FriedButter said:

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I suppose a declaration of war on Russia will surely get you the infinite funding needed for Ukraine.

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