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AssassinsMace

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The Republican Party before the Ukraine War were pro Russian and saw Putin as their international brother-in-arms in upholding the white supremacist world order. Why? Because they loved how Putin treated Obama. They ain't going to get that with Ukraine. Look at how many Republicans think when Trump gets back into office Putin will dump China. Look at how Republicans think of Russia as their junior partner waiting upon bated-breath for the return of King Trump. Putin doesn't like Russia being a junior partner in anything. That's why he never gave in to the West since the end of the Cold War. So only Republicans think Putin will drop China like a rock or do the US's bidding on any prospect of a good relation with a Republican controlled US.
 

Randomuser

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Korea lost to Jordan 0-2 in the asian cup.

I know I did say Asia needs to step up it's local talent in football. But maybe the Chinese government was smart focusing on smaller sports rather than putting everything into football and still coming up short. Football being the most popular sport in the world requires massive investments and your payoff may never come. At least semiconductors can be used to do something with that skillset

Korea is so proud of it's football team and now it doesn't even have that. If you put all your eggs in one basket, it will hurt a lot when these times come.
 
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TK3600

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Nothing make sense.

The U.S. proxywar in Ukraine is unnecessary. Russia is now making common cause with China against the West. USA´s constant failures in the form of diplomacy, sanctions, proxy wars, color revolutions has weakened the Western hand. America's failure in Korea, Vietnam and the CIA-operations in Tibet and Xinjiang in the 1960s is appalling. In the 1970s, the United States decided to give China generous trade deals and technology transfers in the hope that China would not cooperate with Soviet Union.

Because of this insane foreign policy, China has almost caught up with the West in terms of technology. Chinese are to smart to just make T-shirts. After the WW2 the United States decided to dismantling of European colonies. A grave mistake. After the WW2 the USA has also promoted Zionism, neo-liberalism, radical feminism, multiculturalism, mass-immigration and other destructive policys that undermined not only Europe but European exo-states Australia and New Zealand - not to mention United States itself. In the end only China has benefited.

Now we see paleo-conservative Tucker Carlson carrying water for Russia and indirect China. Of course, that is to be expected because the American and European liberal elites have completely eroded white people's trust in their political leaders.

What do ordinary white people gain from late-modern liberalism? The Western elites are aware that China will pose a massive threat in the future but they have no defense against China. Until 1945, the white western working class and lower middle class could make a career in the colonies. Further-more, our industry gained access to cheap raw materials. It was us who were manufacturers of industrial products and not China, Vietnam or any Asian country. Our factories were outsourced and then taken over by China and now other Asian countries take their slice. Why? So the richest 20% in the West could make money?

Before 1945 regular white people benefited from colonialization and Western hegemonic power. Today, whites are not even allowed criticize policy. Even modest proposals that would improve the economy, ethnic relations and make life better for both whites and the growing ethnic minorities are described as "white supremacy". You can forget about improving education in the West - it´s not allowed other than of course build more corporate-owned charter schools and create more student debt.

In contemporary West - White people are not allowed to have cultural, ethnic och religious identity. A reversed colonialization is throughout the Western world is taking place. We are today an ethnic minority in our own cities. Our elites wants us to fight some kind of hybrid cold war against China. Why the hell would white people do this? We gain nothing from it. Joe Biden goes on TV and says that white people should preferably disappear. Lindsay Graham says he wants to fill the GOP with "Chinese people who share our values" — while sitting on the board of IRI, which spreads left-liberal propaganda to other Western countries and third world countries.

I understand Tucker Carlson. Why should Westerners rally around our liberal elites who want to turn the world into a Zionist left-liberal anti-white Mecca ruled from Washington DC, London, Brussels and Jerusalem? Only the liberal elites (especially in Washington DC) and some vengeful Jewish neo-Conservatives are enthusiastic about this failed proxy war against Russia.

As I read this forum, Chinese people at this board "High-Fiving" each other. There is no lack of Chinese victories and Western failures. Chinese know their side is winning because they know the Western liberal (and so-called "conservative") elites are intellectually and emotionally incapable of leading anything. The entire Western institutional system is dysfunctional. The West do not pose a threat to China anymore - short of nuclear war. The greatest threat to the West are Western countries themselves. In a not to distant future when the Western elites has ruined the West - China and Russia may strike back and there is nothing the West can do.

I understand Tucker Carlson

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Why should I applaud this proxy-war. I gain nothing from it. In fact because of this proxy war I pay higher taxes, have higher energy costs, more inflation and see my country flooded with Ukrainians. Now when we know that the West is going down. I hope that when Chinese people win the Cold War 2.0 they treat us white people fairly and build a better world - which white people were unable to do.
You are overthinking it. These angry people see an American they don't like side with the 'enemy', then construct their opinion from there. There is no deeper thinking why X should be enemy, and what is in interest of their country. If they did, they would not be so simple minded. This lack of critical thinking is being actively encouraged because it makes ruling them more effortless. As far as these people are concerned, that is all there is to it, so your question has no relevance.

Now on to your questions itself, it does deserves answers, though not in the context of American public opinion. Because their opinion do not matter. The elite makes the decision, the public is persuaded/brainwashed to follow, which adds legitimacy to the decision. A traditional authoritarian regime skips that 2nd step, that is the key difference. In conclusion if you understand how American makes decision from that angle, it makes sense why elite has no reason to 'follow' the public, and public seem to not follow "self-interest". From time to time the public dissents, so the regime pretend to cave in, while offering as little solution as possible. When the public run out of patience, the regime continues as usual. The border is a good example.

Why elites do what they do? This too can be understood by comparing American democracy to traditional authoritarian governments. The elites will always serve their own purpose, but once a while the interest of the nation and their own interest align, so state is functional. When the system fail to do so, then it will deteriorate. The 2 central question are "who are the elites?" and "to what extent do their interest align with the nation". In case of monarchy it is nobles and royal family. They will not hesitate to take things from everyone else, but they have some interest in security of the state, because their own security align with it. In China the elites are party members and beaurocrates whose power depends on the well-being of the nation. From time to time their own personal interest go against the nation (corruption), but at a class and at institutional level they benefits greatly from well-being of China. What about US? It is a complicated question, that will be addressed from your question itself. But in short, the elites in US are a ragtag bunch of fragmented interest groups that are self serving, yet with very little interest aligned to the nation as a whole.
 
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TK3600

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The U.S. proxywar in Ukraine is unnecessary.
It very much is necessary, just for different reasons. Biden family's power base is there, and their control is in conflict with Russia's desire for security. Biden family as the elite deem it necessary to take action, by dragging the country with them. In this case the elite is the Biden family, whose interest did not align with national interest. In addition various other elites(interest group) sided with Biden family. The MIC see this as a way to expand their market. Various industrial group like gas industry may profit from EU cutting off Russia.

In the 1970s, the United States decided to give China generous trade deals and technology transfers in the hope that China would not cooperate with Soviet Union.

Because of this insane foreign policy, China has almost caught up with the West in terms of technology.
Bad history. America had been very careful about their technology transfer to not feed the dragon. The elites responsible for this are the national security branch of the government. For their effort, it did pay off. The benefit did align with the nation. What actually failed was the deindustrialization, offshoring, which was done by other interest groups like the financial sectors, business sectors. They made big bucks by acquiring foriegn labor, foriegn market in China, while starving local American workers. This is totally acceptable, because their well being do not depends on the nation. They can take their business anywhere along with their money. They would pressure government to act against national interest because it serves them better. Make no mistake, if China did not exist, these group will still undermine the nation by outsourcing elsewhere, because why not? For what reason should they give up easy money so nation benefits?

After the WW2 the USA has also promoted Zionism, neo-liberalism, radical feminism, multiculturalism, mass-immigration and other destructive policys that undermined not only Europe but European exo-states Australia and New Zealand - not to mention United States itself. In the end only China has benefited.

Zionism is promoted because many wealthy and succesful people are jewish, who are naturally more likely to be zionists. These people also happen to be generous with political donations, so the ruling elite cater to them. Sometimes, the ruling elites are them because they are in key government positions. They want Israel to succeed because they want a fall back option in case right winger go after them in US, as history repeatedly shown. If America shit itself, they can just move into Israel with all their money. Hence, interest of nation do not matter to them. Funny enough these people dislike aid to Ukraine, because it takes limited resource of US not funneling into Israel. This is a big headache to Biden.

What do ordinary white people gain from late-modern liberalism?
They don't, that is the point. Ordinary white people are the dominant ethnic in the society that demands a lot for their loyalty, a pain in the ass for the ruling class(Democrates). A minority are much reliable voter, because they have very little options, so they always vote a certain party. That party will gladly secure the interest of minority at very little effort at their end. At the same time white people with their racism serves as a gun on the minority's head that "if you dont vote me, you are getting eaten alive by disgruntled white people". On that end white supremacist serves against the interest of their ethnic group, by reinforcing the party that despise them. It is this same logic that why radical feminists, LGBT, and other various other minority are catered to. Their loyalty is cheap, and they cannot challenge the elite (Democrates) because they are vulnerable. If they step out of the line, they go easily. Just like the black women Havard president. The moment she did not serve zionism, she got the boot. A well connected white man will be harder to remove at will.
 
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supercat

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Good, the Saudi Arabia-Israel rapprochement may be dead finally - no ambiguity in the statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia if the statement is genuine.
"[We've] communicated [our] firm position to the US administration that there will be no diplomatic relations with Israel unless an independent Palestinian state is recognized on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital."

The truth about Tucker Carlson in particular and the presstitute media in the US in general.

I hope it's real.
China is known for its extreme temperance and caution when it comes to making overt, provocative, or declarative statements or motions.

So the fact that Dong Jun was so overt is a key turning point in Russian-Chinese military relations.

What did he say? That China will openly support Russia against Ukraine in the SMO even in spite of and against US/European pressures and attacks aimed at dissuading China.

"Preeminent China scholar", nuff said.
 
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Randomuser

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Good, the Saudi Arabia-Israel rapprochement may be dead finally - no ambiguity in the statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia if the statement is genuine.


The truth about Tucker Carlson in particular and the presstitute media in the US in general.

I hope it's real.


"Preeminent China scholar", nuff said.
Remember that proposal to create IMEC from India? It was supposed to be an alternative to BRI where they somehow go from India through Saudi Arabia, then Israel, then Europe etc.

Yeah looks pretty damn stupid now doesn't it? What's with India's inability to create proper long term feasible plans? They just create some magic plan out of nothing and just hope it magically works by itself? It's almost as if some child drew up a line from India to Europe and say this will make India superpower 2025 Jai hind!

Maybe somehow it will work by some very bizarre circumstances. But I wonder does one heavily rely on bizarreness to happen when cresting such plans.
 

pmc

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Russia is cold. It doesn't have good beaches. And it is seen negatively by the Western world. There's a reason why Russian tourists themselves flock to Egypt and Turkey. The only people I've seen visiting southern Russia are Russians themselves; around the Black Sea is their favorite spot.
Turkey and Egypt are cheaper when you consider full service tourist packages and they dont have shortage of people in services. With improvement in robotic technology , self driving transport and modern infrastructure Russians tourist cities and resorts will catch up to them. and Tourism is more than staying on beach. This beach tourism is only popularize by Northern countries who cannot really appreciate culture , they are increasingly becoming minority with less disposable income and certainly only upper middle class can afford Ski. Russia recently built a new ski resort and they already expecting 160K people. just look at percentage increase in skiing.
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_killuminati_

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Turkey and Egypt are cheaper when you consider full service tourist packages and they dont have shortage of people in services. With improvement in robotic technology , self driving transport and modern infrastructure Russians tourist cities and resorts will catch up to them. and Tourism is more than staying on beach. This beach tourism is only popularize by Northern countries who cannot really appreciate culture , they are increasingly becoming minority with less disposable income and certainly only upper middle class can afford Ski. Russia recently built a new ski resort and they already expecting 160K people. just look at percentage increase in skiing.
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UAE is also a top destination for Russian tourists and it isn't cheap. Climate plays a role. Russia is cold. Middleast and Mediterranean is warm.
 
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