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manqiangrexue

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Is there any sliver of chance that if Taiwan doesn't get fully reintegrated back with the mainland under Pres. Xi's tenure that there's maybe a small potential or window of future Chinese leaders and people who may simply decide that gaining Taiwan back through military means may not be the best course for the country to make/take given the enormous costs of blood and treasure for China to make.
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No. Anyone who says anything like that will be killed for treason. The rage that the Taiwan issue has built in Chinese people's hearts is the best fuel for national growth and the greatest drive for dethroning America. In other words, it is both emotionally impossible and practically too useful a force to simply let go of Taiwan.
 
Bellum_Romanum

Bellum_Romanum

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manqiangrexue said:
No. Anyone who says anything like that will be killed for treason. The rage that the Taiwan issue has built in Chinese people's hearts is the best fuel for national growth and the greatest drive for dethroning America. In other words, it is both emotionally impossible and practically too useful a force to simply let go of Taiwan.
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I am in the same boat. I simply pose that question rhetorically.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Kim Jong-un is no longer keen or clamoring for a Korean reunification, citing that the gulf between the two Koreas have become too great and distinct.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741455437969633385

Is there any sliver of chance that if Taiwan doesn't get fully reintegrated back with the mainland under Pres. Xi's tenure that there's maybe a small potential or window of future Chinese leaders and people who may simply decide that gaining Taiwan back through military means may not be the best course for the country to make/take given the enormous costs of blood and treasure for China to make. Of course such ridiculous scenario can only be made possible if any and all support from all western and western supporting countries will permanently cease any military exchanges, military installations, military training with the Republic of China (Taiwan).

But, who are we fooling, America is hell bent on ensuring that regardless of China's deference, patience, and even to the point of benevolence towards America and the west; they want China to remain toothless, weak, and incompetent so that they can retain the hold, control and dictate the terms to the whole world just as they have done in the preceding decades.

Kim Jong-un further expounded on his thoughts with respect to the struggle of Korean reunification:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741466159981961545

Reading his statements on this very pertinent issue re: national reunification and sovereignty, we could simply change the subject of Korea to Taiwan and the argument he put forth equally applies to the case of Taiwan.
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Kim actually said more than just "no reunification with South Korea".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741468747888558337

In the meantime, as long as having the entirety of the Korean Peninsular being friendly to China is unachievable, having a divided Korea with the China-friendly one bordering along Yalu, Changbai and Tumen is very much in Beijing's interests - Pyongyang's existence and role as a separate state is to keep US military bases from ever approaching Dandong.

Taiwan, on the other hand, is non-negotiable. Taiwan must be reunited with China - Even if WW3 becomes the only option to achieve that. Taiwan (and as extension, the Ryukyus) are absolutely critical for China's national security as the eastward strategic depth extension into the WestPac.
 
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FriedButter

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Bellum_Romanum said:
I am in the same boat. I simply pose that question rhetorically.
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You are talking about committing political, geopolitically, and economic suicide including the actual person themselves in a single package. Complete wet dream by a DC anti-China hawk

Putin in an interview said this about 2 weeks ago. He naively believed the west and Russia would no longer need to clash with each other after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Later becoming convinced that the West was waiting for chance to completely dismantle and disintegrate Russia.

"But the reality is, later I became 100% convinced of this, that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they [in the West] thought that they had to be patient – ‘we would collapse Russia too," Putin said.
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The question shouldn’t be if it is worth the blood and treasure but instead asking if the West sees this action as a sign of friendship or weakness. By trying to avoid war. You may have just guaranteed total war instead.
 
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luminary said:
The US is working on banning pro Palestinian protests, and any other unfavorable boycotts as well. Not a peep about civil rights:

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Lawmaker says bill protects Israel, amid surge in pro-Palestinian activism in US.

"Congress is firmly stating our proactive opposition to... boycotts that stand counter to American ideals".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735075776351916277





Look at Andrew Yang now. He sounds passionless, disillusioned, and defeated:
Now all he does is shill for other candidates, just another cog in the machine.
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He was always a shill and a cog in the machine. Revealed it when he advocated Asian-Americans be more "American" to stop hate crimes against Asians during his candidacy. What a tool.
 
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Chevalier

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Kim Jong-un is no longer keen or clamoring for a Korean reunification, citing that the gulf between the two Koreas have become too great and distinct.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741455437969633385

Is there any sliver of chance that if Taiwan doesn't get fully reintegrated back with the mainland under Pres. Xi's tenure that there's maybe a small potential or window of future Chinese leaders and people who may simply decide that gaining Taiwan back through military means may not be the best course for the country to make/take given the enormous costs of blood and treasure for China to make. Of course such ridiculous scenario can only be made possible if any and all support from all western and western supporting countries will permanently cease any military exchanges, military installations, military training with the Republic of China (Taiwan).

But, who are we fooling, America is hell bent on ensuring that regardless of China's deference, patience, and even to the point of benevolence towards America and the west; they want China to remain toothless, weak, and incompetent so that they can retain the hold, control and dictate the terms to the whole world just as they have done in the preceding decades.

Kim Jong-un further expounded on his thoughts with respect to the struggle of Korean reunification:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741466159981961545

Reading his statements on this very pertinent issue re: national reunification and sovereignty, we could simply change the subject of Korea to Taiwan and the argument he put forth equally applies to the case of Taiwan.
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Can’t blame him, the lesson from the Ukraine war is that you can’t guarantee that close kinship and co-ethnics will share the same common identity after decades of Anglo propaganda and brainwashing. The best thing to do is as the Russians are doing and simply wiping out any Nazi/ukrofascist/zionist elements via attrition.

Taiwan… I sincerely hope it does not come down to that.
ACuriousPLAFan said:
Kim actually said more than just "no reunification with South Korea".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741468747888558337

In the meantime, as long as having the entirety of the Korean Peninsular being friendly to China is unachievable, having a divided Korea with the China-friendly one bordering along Yalu, Changbai and Tumen is very much in Beijing's interests - Pyongyang's existence and role as a separate state is to keep US military bases from ever approaching Dandong.

Taiwan, on the other hand, is non-negotiable. Taiwan must be reunited with China - Even if WW3 becomes the only option to achieve that. Taiwan (and as extension, the Ryukyus) are absolutely critical for China's national security as the eastward strategic depth extension into the WestPac.
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assuming it doesn’t go nuclear, a war in Korea sucking in the Anglo Americans into their own Korean War/vietnam redux whilst also destroying the economies of South Korea and Japan could well prove useful to China.
Let Chinese and Russian PMCs don North Korean livery and take and hold Alaska and the Aleutians.
luminary said:
The US is working on banning pro Palestinian protests, and any other unfavorable boycotts as well. Not a peep about civil rights:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Lawmaker says bill protects Israel, amid surge in pro-Palestinian activism in US.

"Congress is firmly stating our proactive opposition to... boycotts that stand counter to American ideals".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735075776351916277
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Once again, it is so blatantly obvious that the ruling class of the west are Zionist Jews. If China wants to split the Five Eyes, it could just support Israel’s enemies and cause all the white anglos to send all their warfighters and material to the Middle East as the slaves of Britain are doing.
 
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BlackWindMnt

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Kim actually said more than just "no reunification with South Korea".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741468747888558337

In the meantime, as long as having the entirety of the Korean Peninsular being friendly to China is unachievable, having a divided Korea with the China-friendly one bordering along Yalu, Changbai and Tumen is very much in Beijing's interests - Pyongyang's existence and role as a separate state is to keep US military bases from ever approaching Dandong.

Taiwan, on the other hand, is non-negotiable. Taiwan must be reunited with China - Even if WW3 becomes the only option to achieve that. Taiwan (and as extension, the Ryukyus) are absolutely critical for China's national security as the eastward strategic depth extension into the WestPac.
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I wouldn't be surprised if North Korea will be fully economically integrated with China and Russia without having to worry about western sanctions etc. Also might be a good way for Russia to temporarily find the workers they need for their far east plans.

It should be interesting to follow this process especially given how Musk started trolling with that Korean nighttime satellite image.

Edit: Happy new Year everybody...
 
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Biscuits

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Kim Jong-un is no longer keen or clamoring for a Korean reunification, citing that the gulf between the two Koreas have become too great and distinct.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741455437969633385

Is there any sliver of chance that if Taiwan doesn't get fully reintegrated back with the mainland under Pres. Xi's tenure that there's maybe a small potential or window of future Chinese leaders and people who may simply decide that gaining Taiwan back through military means may not be the best course for the country to make/take given the enormous costs of blood and treasure for China to make. Of course such ridiculous scenario can only be made possible if any and all support from all western and western supporting countries will permanently cease any military exchanges, military installations, military training with the Republic of China (Taiwan).

But, who are we fooling, America is hell bent on ensuring that regardless of China's deference, patience, and even to the point of benevolence towards America and the west; they want China to remain toothless, weak, and incompetent so that they can retain the hold, control and dictate the terms to the whole world just as they have done in the preceding decades.

Kim Jong-un further expounded on his thoughts with respect to the struggle of Korean reunification:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741466159981961545

Reading his statements on this very pertinent issue re: national reunification and sovereignty, we could simply change the subject of Korea to Taiwan and the argument he put forth equally applies to the case of Taiwan.
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The Korea issue is not comparable, because SK is (on paper at least) a sovereign actor. Their situation is like east and west Germany, while our situation with Taiwan is like Ukraine's situation with the Donbass. Theirs is one that should be solved by diplomacy, while ours is an issue of homeland security.

It doesn't cost "enormous amounts of treasure" and especially not blood to keep defending Taiwan. Unlike how the Donbass is for Ukraine, Taiwan does not hold anywhere near a sizeable part of the Chinese economy and population, or its agricultural production either. There is also a much smaller or nonexistent gap between the US and China vs between Russia and Ukraine.

A sweeping offensive involving PLA soldiers fighting door to door with resistence fighters is not the only way to hold Taiwan. If civil war tensions increase, there are also much lower human cost strategies of defense that work simply by bombing the fighters to remove their leaders. The Israelis attempt such strategies in their disputed territories, but they do not have enough competent firepower nor industry to achieve full success. These limitations doesn't exist for China.

All out offensive doesn't have to be the first step when tensions increase. Instead, action can start as a low intensity lock down of the disputed areas, followed by daily lower intensity bombings of key identified terrorist targets. Like the Ukrainian actions against the Donbass since 2014, but with much greater efficiency.
 
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