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siegecrossbow

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China posted the steepest deflation in 3 years. When Consumer Prices Fall, the capitalists hate it. It goes against their teachings, so it had to be a negative thing for China.
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"Worsening deflation?" Hmm, I don't care what those economists think. I much prefer falling prices than rising prices. It means I can maintain a higher living standard with less money.


Bla bla bla. Yeah I know China's economy is not in its best shape ever. But have you looked at how things are going in the Western cities? Rising food prices, homes getting more expensive, rising medical costs, rising fuel prices, rising electricity bills, etc. Ask the average Londoner if he would like some of that dreadful deflation.



Who called for Beijing to step up stimulus? Is it those idiot economists who write magazines bashing China's economy? Beijing not giving any major bailouts to developers should have won them an award in how to manage an economy responsibly. The Chinese government have already said that "houses are for living, not for speculation. Anyone who engages in the speculation business and got burned, that's your problem.

I don't know how its like in China. But in Malaysia, anyone who have been in the construction business will know that many property developers are some of the worse scums in the business. They use the cheapest construction materials engineeringly possible. Many luxury condos look good on the outside, but are shoddy inside. Maintaining them is a nightmare. They (along with their major contractor buddies) bully the lower-tiered subcontractors to squeeze them as much as possible, pay them as little as possible, or sometimes not even paying them at all. They have their army of lawyers to play around and tire out those small contractors who wanna sue them for payment. Then they use the power speculation to sell their properties at sky-high prices. They recruit lawyers and bankers to make it easier for people to buy, but harder to sue them for any liabilities. Since many property developers in Malaysia are ethnic Chinese, I suspect that some of their culture is shared with their Chinese counterparts. So I don't have much sympathy for large property developers who irresponsibly play with property speculation. May they be punished for their greed and irresponsibility. The Chinese government did the right thing. They let the greedy capitalists suffer for their folly, and work to ensure that the property market serves the common people first.

Property prices going down is a positive thing for humanity. Housing is a basic human right. It cannot be denied to more and more people, because developers and speculators wanna inflate their prices to the moon. If the economy suffers because the big developers and speculators need to be humbled, then so be it. Its an overall positive thing in the long term.


I don't really agree with the Chinese government for stopping the publishing of youth unemployment data when the numbers got ugly. It makes it look like they were trying to hide uncomfortable data. Its easy ammunition for China bashers. Nevertheless I think the Chinese government have their own good reasons for doing so, but they have not given a clear explanation why.

My guess is that the economy of China is in a period of rapid adjustments due to the trade wars, Covid, and the tech war. So, many youths who graduate are finding a mismatch between their qualifications and the evolving demands of the Chinese job market. Maybe they want more programmers or physicists now, than accountants or business admins. The Chinese job market is also incredibly competitive, so that compounds the problem. Its a complicated issue, but I'm confident that the Chinese government is definitely on top of it right now.

The Western governments', are so much worse. They casually ignore their own economic issues, while constantly diverting attention to troubles in China. The economic problems in the West are magnitudes worse than whatever is happening in China. Just look at the idiocy of the fiscal policies in the US and Europe.


More Chinese can afford bigger meals and dining out. Less people died from Covid = Bad
More people in the West are finding it harder to afford their groceries. More people died from Covid = Good

Good FT. Continue to live in your capitalist fantasy.

They need China to pull off a 2008 style stimulus to avoid economic crisis in the coming year. The less China is willing to compromise, the greater the doom and gloom reporting.
 

BlackWindMnt

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I get that you are a supporter of China but being ignorant is not a good way of doing it. Deflation is very bad for the economy. Thats economics 101.

Deflation is a sign that people are not spending money, cause either they don't have jobs, or are trying to pay off debt, or too afraid of losing jobs in the future and thus saving money. So, when there is not enough customers, sellers reduce price. That's a very bad sign. Deflation only happens when there is a recession. Is China in recession? It kind of is when several sectors are declining like the huge property sector and export sector.


But China also has a lot of other sectors that are growing to sort of cover up the declining side of the economy. But that cannot cover all the bad things happening.

What China needs to do is monetary expansion by raising the money supply by the central bank. Which they are doing a little bit but need to do a lot more.

What they can also do is Government spends more since the consumers are not spending. That means more fiscal spending. But again is being too cautious and Government is not taking on too much debt to do fiscal spending.

Overall, China being too cautious and that's why you have deflation. Not a good thing for the economy.
People always say inflation is here because "Too much money chasing too few goods", people who watch western economic bullshit always focus on the too much money. But you hardly hear them talk about the too few goods, so what is the reason china enjoys deflation might it be that china has scored some really nice commodities contracts with Russia like access to cheap food and gas. Also China is recovery from a avian flu and africans swine flu animal stock culling that happened in 2018 and 2019 etc.

So without some proper investigation its a bit soon to say its a bad thing. Also just because the western school is eternal inflation based doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow them. Cheaper cost of living could also mean higher consumer goods consumption.
 

ficker22

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People always say inflation is here because "Too much money chasing too few goods", people who watch western economic bullshit always focus on the too much money. But you hardly hear them talk about the too few goods, so what is the reason china enjoys deflation might it be that china has scored some really nice commodities contracts with Russia like access to cheap food and gas. Also China is recovery from a avian flu and africans swine flu animal stock culling that happened in 2018 and 2019 etc.

So without some proper investigation its a bit soon to say its a bad thing. Also just because the western school is eternal inflation based doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow them. Cheaper cost of living could also mean higher consumer goods consumption.
Western econ 101:

Paying for a new phone, car, PC, smart home, home based PV -> Broke

Paying 10k for foodbills, energy, rent and surgery -> Woke
 

AssassinsMace

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Don't believe Merck is going to have manufacturing bases in each country they do business in. That's just a smoke screen. I've been saying this a long time that Western countries are going to have to have two manufacturing bases if they want to do business internationally. One for the US and one in China. That's the only way they can compete internationally if the want to keep making money. The one for the US is about avoiding US and any domestic politics. The one in China is for selling to the rest of the world. What is the US going to do? Tell their companies and their allies' companies where they could only manufacture? If that happened they won't be in business after that. This is the part where they realized threatening to decouple from China was bad for them hence why now they're changing it to de-risking. They still want access to the Chinese consumer market and manufacturing. Without it, they make no money and every one of their products goes skyrocketing in price. Why now? Because Tesla is implementing that model and is selling their cars around the world from their China factory hence why VW is planning to do that and now Merck.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Pretty unrelated news but Alex Jones seems to be getting unbanned soon

YES - 70%
NO - 30%

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He's a joke though.

Especially on how he blames China for nearly everything lol (like he should be blaming jews for many of the claims he makes, such as control/dominance over media, bribing/buying politicians etc.).
 

HereToSeePics

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BS! Show me the satellite images, not the aerial drone images. Finish the project first, then talk!
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Found it! (making no claims to whether it's finished or unfinished or at the stated GW capacity, but simply to respond to the satellite images statement)

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BlackWindMnt

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He's a joke though.

Especially on how he blames China for nearly everything lol (like he should be blaming jews for many of the claims he makes, such as control/dominance over media, bribing/buying politicians etc.).
"The jews" are just placeholder until the new enemy script has been written. They will blame everybody except western oligarchs etc..
 
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