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TK3600

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Problem is it's in China. They can make their immigration policies in their own countries then if Chinese people break in, we'd be in the wrong. But in China, Chinese people go wherever we want and they're in the wrong for coming uninvited.
It is their property, should they not decide who to do business with?
 

Phead128

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No, you didn't fix it; you snowflaked it. Sorry, but I don't do that shit where looking at someone the wrong way or telling them you don't wanna be their friend or hang out with them is bullying. Some people feel if 5 people are a group of friends but don't wanna add them, they're being mercilessly bullied. That's not my definition nor was it ever. If you didn't violate anyone's rights, you didn't bully anyone; that's how I see it and it's not cherry-picked from anything. That's how it was from a time when people didn't kill themselves because people left them mean Facebook messages.

It's China's "right" to withdraw business, just like South Korea's "right" to place THAAD on their soil. However, China went further to demand that SK not deploy additional THAAD, not enter US-led anti-ballistic missile defense, and not enter into Trilateral alliance with US-Japan, which is overriding SK's sovereign decision making.

Bullying has nothing to with China's "rights", but how it affects South Korea's "rights" - bullying it has to do with violent or non-violent intimidation or threats to override SK's rights.

The "
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" as preconditions for resuming diplomatic ties is economic coercion for a geostrategic objective (i.e., break the US containment of China).

So I find it rather convenient you are inconsistent with your definitions, have no principled moral stance, and just cherry-pick whatever is most convenient for your narrative.

That's not my definition nor was it ever. If you didn't violate anyone's rights, you didn't bully anyone;

That's literally just making things up - the definition of bullying has nothing to do with violation of China's rights, but of SOUTH KOREA's rights.
 

manqiangrexue

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It is their property, should they not decide who to do business with?
Hell no. They forced China to allow them to open up that shit on Chinese territory. China was the victim of imperialism; that "business" is on Chinese territory against Chinese will. Even today when no such thing can happen, China has the right to close down any business for violation of laws such as discrimination.

Now if a person bought a home in China, then s/he can let whomever they want in their home.
It's China's "right" to withdraw business, just like South Korea's "right" to place THAAD on their soil.
OK very good
However, China went further to demand that SK not deploy additional THAAD, not enter US-led anti-ballistic missile defense, and not enter into Trilateral alliance with US-Japan, which is overriding SK's sovereign decision making.
No, demands are not bullying. First of all, there's not really a difference between a demand and a request. These requests never ever override someone else's sovereign decision making because that would mean that their ability to self-determine was taken away and "overrode" by your decision for them. That never happened. China told South Korea that if they wanted to keep Chinese business, they would decide one way vs the other way. The decision was theirs. Nothing was overriden.
Bullying has nothing to with China's "rights", but how it affects South Korea's "rights" - bullying it has to do with violent or non-violent intimidation or threats to override SK's rights.
South Korea's rights are unchanged. They maintain their rights to deploy anything they want on their territory. Their rights are unaffected. But they can do so without Chinese business.
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Yeah, they have the right to employ American weapons and China has the right to break diplomatic relations. All good and within their respective rights.
So I find it rather convenient you are inconsistent with your definitions, have no principled moral stance, and just cherry-pick whatever is most convenient for your narrative.
I find it hard to believe you can't figure out the difference between telling someone you won't buy thier things or accept their diplomats vs threatening to invade them. Are you really struggling to understand the difference or are you just arguing to argue?
That's literally just making things up - the definition of bullying has nothing to do with violation of China's rights, but of SOUTH KOREA's rights.
That's literally reading comprehension failure. "If you didn't violate anyone's rights, you didn't bully anyone." That means if China didn't violate South Korea's rights, China didn't bully South Korea. Of course it's about South Korea's rights. How did you miss that?

I'm quite curious to know, if you think that boycotting someone's business due to a disagreement is bullying then what do you think is the appropriate, non-bullying action to take if a business offends you?
 
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TK3600

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Hell no. They forced China to allow them to open up that shit on Chinese territory. China was the victim of imperialism; that "business" is on Chinese territory against Chinese will. Even today when no such thing can happen, China has the right to close down any business for violation of laws such as discrimination.

Now if a person bought a home in China, then s/he can let whomever they want in their home.
Shanghai concessions is already returned to China post WWII. What ever remained, China allowed it.

Why is discrimination bad and outlawed? Shouldn't people choose what race their employee is and what race their customers are?
 

manqiangrexue

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Shanghai concessions is already returned to China post WWII. What ever remained, China allowed it.

Why is discrimination bad and outlawed? Shouldn't people choose what race their employee is and what race their customers are?
That's national law and the sovereign right of every government to decide its domestic laws. If a government chooses to allow it, then it's allowed. If not, then it's not. If the Chinese government allows racial discrimination in the businesses that operate in China, and a business is legally in China, then they can discriminate the race of employee and customer as they choose.
 

A potato

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Shanghai concessions is already returned to China post WWII. What ever remained, China allowed it.

Why is discrimination bad and outlawed? Shouldn't people choose what race their employee is and what race their customers are?
Didn't the CCP forcibly took it back? because I am pretty sure they're never officially handed over. And those salty westerners are saying China owes them because of the takeover. @manqiangrexue has a point. And honestly it's a good decision rebuild the city from scratch because there is quote from a Shanghai refugee in HK that saids there are no more real Shanghainese in Shanghai (Thank Fuck because Shanghainese people at the time and today were complete cucks to both westerners and Japanese).
 
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TK3600

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That's national law and the sovereign right of every government to decide its domestic laws. If a government chooses to allow it, then it's allowed. If not, then it's not. If the Chinese government allows racial discrimination in the businesses that operate in China, and a business is legally in China, then they can discriminate the race of employee and customer as they choose.
Now why would China outlaw discrimination? Why is it considered undesirable?
 

TK3600

Major
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You'd have to ask the lawmakers in China. Go write them a letter and ask. Couldn't possibly be a worse waste of time than what you're doing now.
I will just answer it for you. It is because it is malicious bullying. Laws enforce this justice. If one day law change, it still don't make it right. You cannot equate legality with coercion or not. The intention determines whether it is bullying or not, not action itself.

Same way US bully around other country by trade sanctions. It is a malicious coercion. It is intended to intimidate and break the society. Not because it was unprofitable to trade which would have been valid reason to not trade.

That is not to say China's response to SK is unjustified. It is legal and has proper pretext. China is not doing it for nothing.

Not wanting to be friend with someone due to no shared interest is fine. Or you are too tired is also fine. Using it as an insult to put people down is not fine and frowned upon for a reason. Bruce Lee beat them up not because he REALLY want to enter a party. He did it because it is a malicious insult putting down Chinese in their own homeland.
 
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