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AssassinsMace said:
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Since US farmers like Trump so much, China should do a Trump on them. Trump says he wants to payout less per dollar owed to countries that bought US treasuries and bonds. He said he does that to entities he owes money to because if they want their money, since it's a lot, they'll have to take it or get nothing. He has lawyers that delay any court case where the party that he owes money eventually gives up and takes less than what he owes. That's what China should do to US farmers where China places an order then when its almost ready to ship, demand they charge less.

Nikki Haley says if she's President, she'll make China dependent on the US for food. How does she propose how to do that? It would have to involve violating human rights where either she'll have destroy the arable lands of other countries that would be competition to them or she would militarily invade China to takeover and force Chinese to buy only from the US. And remember this... she's only saying it because that's what US farmers want to hear.
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Good luck lmao. China has the most fertile land in the world for growing rice and wheat sustainably and this has been true since 10000 BC. Rice grows wild without human intervention even today in vast parts of southern China, you literally just pick it up from the ground. There's a reason civilization started in China independently.

Rice doesn't require tractors to harvest or plant and indeed they are difficult to use in muddy conditions. Humans and cows can handle all aspects of rice production.

Their agriculture is like the oil industry, uses mined fossil water from aquifers which can't be replaced. China has natural agricultural fertility that was so easy even literal cavemen could do it.
 
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BoraTas said:
My counter-conservative instincts scream me to condemn this. But I can't because it is based for some reason I don't grasp.

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She really thought she could have her cake and eat it too huh building a brand for your artist is expensive if left unchecked Chinese entertainment agencies would be forced to foot the bill while western agencies come in and swoop up the established talent, It seems China is working on exporting its own artists like Hollywood in the near future and might explain this U turn, Xi himself praised cabaret back in the day after all
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Good luck lmao. China has the most fertile land in the world for growing rice and wheat sustainably and this has been true since 10000 BC. Rice grows wild without human intervention even today in vast parts of southern China, you literally just pick it up from the ground. There's a reason civilization started in China independently.

Rice doesn't require tractors to harvest or plant and indeed they are difficult to use in muddy conditions. Humans and cows can handle all aspects of rice production.

Their agriculture is like the oil industry, uses mined fossil water from aquifers which can't be replaced. China has natural agricultural fertility that was so easy even literal cavemen could do it.
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My honest reaction to that misinformation:1000001663.png
The cultivation of rice in classical southern China was extraordinarily labor intensive, requiring a constant whole-of-society effort to ensure that the irrigation system and the strict schedule of harvest and planting functioned without a hitch. It was not remotely a gift of nature. This is well described by the exerpt below in

civilization and capitalism, fifteenth–eighteenth century, vol. 1 the structure of everyday life

(ignore the obvious racist stuff the quotes are from 1730)
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Boltzmann said:
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The cultivation of rice in classical southern China was extraordinarily labor intensive, requiring a constant whole-of-society effort to ensure that the irrigation system and the strict schedule of harvest and planting functioned without a hitch. It was not remotely a gift of nature. This is well described by the exerpt below in

civilization and capitalism, fifteenth–eighteenth century, vol. 1 the structure of everyday life

(ignore the obvious racist stuff the quotes are from 1730)
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The surrounding regions of the Yangtze River and the Yunnan-Guizhou highland of Southern China are the domestication centres with varying evidence derived from the belief that wild rice is primarily found in Southern China, where the Yangtze River is predominantly situated.
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China's Yunnan-Guizhou highland consists of more than 10,000 rice landraces, and the three wild rice species (O. Rufipogon, O. Officinalis, and O. Mereriana) commonly exist and is identified as the site of the highest genetic diversity
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Wild rice in China is believed to have been harvested by individuals over millennia and then transitioned into domesticated rice. Early farmers employed fire, bones, and wooden spades to clear
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of reeds in order to establish
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Nobody cultivates the hardest to raise, shittiest crop just for bragging rights. They cultivate what they can.

The typical route of original crop domestication starts with gathering locally available resources, rice is no exception.

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Cultivation and subsequent domestication are increasingly seen as being considerably more separated in time than once thought, as a horizon of what’s termed “predomestication cultivation” sometimes lasting thousands of years is being increasingly documented in the Old World (see Introduction in this volume), and this also appears true for rice. Moreover, recent studies suggest that there is no clear boundary line between hunting-gathering and agriculture and that the transformation between the two is not a revolutionary change but rather a slow process of qualitative and quantitative shifts that may have taken thousands of years
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Rice became labor intensive to plant outside its natural range in the Yangtze River Valley.
 
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TK3600 said:
I think North America have the most fertile farmland, speaking just from personal experience.
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It's farmed using mined fossil water.

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Without irrigation this is what it looks like.

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Boltzmann said:
My honest reaction to that misinformation:View attachment 120978
The cultivation of rice in classical southern China was extraordinarily labor intensive, requiring a constant whole-of-society effort to ensure that the irrigation system and the strict schedule of harvest and planting functioned without a hitch. It was not remotely a gift of nature. This is well described by the exerpt below in

civilization and capitalism, fifteenth–eighteenth century, vol. 1 the structure of everyday life

(ignore the obvious racist stuff the quotes are from 1730)
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Had a look at your source. It doesn't disagree with anything i said though. Why did you think it could refute me?

where did I say rice wasn't labor intensive? Did I use the words labor anywhere?

Does labor somehow change the natural environment of rice or something? Can you grow rice with equal labor in the Arctic or Siberia?

I said, factually: rice grows wild in China and it is native to China. Prehistoric Chinese started gathering rice and grew it because it's an abundant local grain well adapted to the environment. It can be grown without fossil fuel inputs, only the labor of humans and cows. Thus there's no threat to the Chinese food supply for rice.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Had a look at your source. It doesn't disagree with anything i said though. Why did you think it could refute me?

where did I say rice wasn't labor intensive? Did I use the words labor anywhere?

Does labor somehow change the natural environment of rice or something? Can you grow rice with equal labor in the Arctic or Siberia?

I said, factually: rice grows wild in China and it is native to China. Prehistoric Chinese started gathering rice and grew it because it's an abundant local grain well adapted to the environment. It can be grown without fossil fuel inputs, only the labor of humans and cows. Thus there's no threat to the Chinese food supply for rice.
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Your wording gave me the impression that you viewed the cultivation of rice by hand to be a relatively easy or even trivial task in the environment of southern China, that is why I responded the way I did, because my source well illustrates the scale and intensity of effort needed to make it work. I felt the need to respond because what I saw as the implicit downplaying of rural farmers' collosal effort in rice farming was offensive to me.
 
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