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The European Union's top diplomat is due to arrive in Shanghai on Thursday with a message for China: take us more seriously.

In an exclusive interview with the Post before his departure,
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said China should stop viewing its relationship with Europe through the lens of its rivalry with the United States, adding that the bloc's more sober judgments on Beijing are made entirely independently.

"My first objective is to reaffirm to my Chinese interlocutors that Europe takes China seriously and has no hidden agenda aiming at derailing its rise.

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"At the same time, we expect from China to take us more seriously and stop looking at us through the lens of its relations with others. Our assessment and conduct is driven by our own interests," Borrell said.

His comments reflect a frustration in Europe that Beijing does not accept that the union has come to its own conclusions on China as relations worsen.


China's state media often portrays the EU as a "puppet" of the US, but Borrell insisted that the "war in Ukraine has transformed us ... from the position of an economic power to a geopolitical one, taking its strategic responsibilities very seriously".

The EU's high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, is due to arrive in Shanghai amid turmoil in the Middle East, war in Ukraine, and heightened tensions between the US and China.

He travelled on the eve of China's Belt and Road Summit, a significant event in China's diplomatic calendar, which is expected to be attended by a single EU leader, Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Borrell will meet business figures and Chinese academics at the Shanghai Institutes For International Studies, a think tank linked to the foreign ministry, before flying to the Chinese capital for talks with Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Friday and to give a speech at Peking University.

Global issues will loom over the dialogue with Wang,
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, which are not part of the official agenda but which will "no doubt" be raised, senior EU sources confirmed.

"There are also regional issues on which we can try to work together, including the Middle East, where the current violence in the Israel-Palestine conflict threatens the stability of the whole region," Borrell told the Post.

China has refrained from condemning Hamas' attack on Israel, but has expressed sorrow at civilian losses. So far at least 2,100 people have been killed on both sides.

"We're deeply saddened by the civilian casualties and oppose and condemn acts that harm civilians ... we oppose moves that escalate the conflict and destabilise the region and hope fighting will stop and peace will return soon," foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said on Monday.

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is also on the agenda, with Borrell saying the EU is "not totally convinced" that China is a neutral party. The Spaniard said Ukraine is also concerned by Beijing's stance.

It has never condemned the invasion that started in February last year, and its ambassador to Brussels Fu Cong
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in a conflict that has become the dominant issue in EU foreign policy over the past 19 months.

European officials have regularly criticised Chinese spokespeople and state media for parroting Moscow's talking points.

"To be frank, in Europe
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in this conflict. How to remain neutral between an aggressor and the country it has invaded?" Borrell said.

"Being neutral in such a case is just like watching on the sidelines as the fox enters the henhouse and waiting for the outcome."

Borrell described China's involvement in a peace conference Saudi Arabia hosted in Jeddah in August as a "good step", but said "China can certainly do more, including in its engagement on the peace formula put forward by Ukraine" and warned "a lot remains to be done to convince Ukraine that China is not on Russia's side".

Borrell said he understands why China does not adopt the same position as Europe, even as he cautioned it not to "endorse the Russian position".

"We are not expecting China to take the European line. We know the Chinese calculations and constraints behind this conflict and their tendency to look at it through the lens of its competition with the US," he said.

Borrell's trip to China is part of a series of visits by senior EU commissioners responsible for areas such as trade, digital affairs, energy and the environment. The cumulative goal is to lay the ground for a leaders' summit before the year's end, although no date has been set.

But the visits are also a chance to tell the Chinese leadership that the EU is unhappy with the current state of the relationship and intends to pursue a narrow form of de-risking, even if it has no intention of cutting ties with China completely.

The union recently launched an
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in China, which it claims are distorting the European market, and is ready to slap tariffs on Chinese steel as part of an agreement with the United States.

A series of commissioners have floated the prospect of a probe into subsidies in China's wind turbine sector, but senior officials denied that there was anything imminent on that front.

"We are concerned by our trade imbalances, which are rapidly growing. Our massive trade deficit with China cannot be the mere product of a competitive disadvantage between the EU and China. It has to do with persistent market access problems encountered by European firms in China," said Borrell.

"The crux of the matter is that China is becoming less attractive. European firms can no longer send as many expatriates to China. We also care about the reaction of our public's opinion, considering the potential losses of jobs in critical sectors such as the automotives ... In a democratic system such as the European one, you cannot ignore what voters think," he added.

Asked about tensions in the Taiwan Strait, Borrell said that the EU remained "fully committed to its one-China policy", which he said is based on six principles including no formal recognition of the island as an independent state and no "intimidation, coercion and provocation from any side".

However, within that, Europe retained the right to nurture bilateral ties with Taiwan, "which do not imply any kind of political recognition as an independent country".
 

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The European Union's top diplomat is due to arrive in Shanghai on Thursday with a message for China: take us more seriously.

In an exclusive interview with the Post before his departure,
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said China should stop viewing its relationship with Europe through the lens of its rivalry with the United States, adding that the bloc's more sober judgments on Beijing are made entirely independently.

"My first objective is to reaffirm to my Chinese interlocutors that Europe takes China seriously and has no hidden agenda aiming at derailing its rise.

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"At the same time, we expect from China to take us more seriously and stop looking at us through the lens of its relations with others. Our assessment and conduct is driven by our own interests," Borrell said.

His comments reflect a frustration in Europe that Beijing does not accept that the union has come to its own conclusions on China as relations worsen.


China's state media often portrays the EU as a "puppet" of the US, but Borrell insisted that the "war in Ukraine has transformed us ... from the position of an economic power to a geopolitical one, taking its strategic responsibilities very seriously".

The EU's high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, is due to arrive in Shanghai amid turmoil in the Middle East, war in Ukraine, and heightened tensions between the US and China.

He travelled on the eve of China's Belt and Road Summit, a significant event in China's diplomatic calendar, which is expected to be attended by a single EU leader, Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Borrell will meet business figures and Chinese academics at the Shanghai Institutes For International Studies, a think tank linked to the foreign ministry, before flying to the Chinese capital for talks with Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Friday and to give a speech at Peking University.

Global issues will loom over the dialogue with Wang,
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, which are not part of the official agenda but which will "no doubt" be raised, senior EU sources confirmed.

"There are also regional issues on which we can try to work together, including the Middle East, where the current violence in the Israel-Palestine conflict threatens the stability of the whole region," Borrell told the Post.

China has refrained from condemning Hamas' attack on Israel, but has expressed sorrow at civilian losses. So far at least 2,100 people have been killed on both sides.

"We're deeply saddened by the civilian casualties and oppose and condemn acts that harm civilians ... we oppose moves that escalate the conflict and destabilise the region and hope fighting will stop and peace will return soon," foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said on Monday.

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is also on the agenda, with Borrell saying the EU is "not totally convinced" that China is a neutral party. The Spaniard said Ukraine is also concerned by Beijing's stance.

It has never condemned the invasion that started in February last year, and its ambassador to Brussels Fu Cong
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in a conflict that has become the dominant issue in EU foreign policy over the past 19 months.

European officials have regularly criticised Chinese spokespeople and state media for parroting Moscow's talking points.

"To be frank, in Europe
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in this conflict. How to remain neutral between an aggressor and the country it has invaded?" Borrell said.

"Being neutral in such a case is just like watching on the sidelines as the fox enters the henhouse and waiting for the outcome."

Borrell described China's involvement in a peace conference Saudi Arabia hosted in Jeddah in August as a "good step", but said "China can certainly do more, including in its engagement on the peace formula put forward by Ukraine" and warned "a lot remains to be done to convince Ukraine that China is not on Russia's side".

Borrell said he understands why China does not adopt the same position as Europe, even as he cautioned it not to "endorse the Russian position".

"We are not expecting China to take the European line. We know the Chinese calculations and constraints behind this conflict and their tendency to look at it through the lens of its competition with the US," he said.

Borrell's trip to China is part of a series of visits by senior EU commissioners responsible for areas such as trade, digital affairs, energy and the environment. The cumulative goal is to lay the ground for a leaders' summit before the year's end, although no date has been set.

But the visits are also a chance to tell the Chinese leadership that the EU is unhappy with the current state of the relationship and intends to pursue a narrow form of de-risking, even if it has no intention of cutting ties with China completely.

The union recently launched an
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in China, which it claims are distorting the European market, and is ready to slap tariffs on Chinese steel as part of an agreement with the United States.

A series of commissioners have floated the prospect of a probe into subsidies in China's wind turbine sector, but senior officials denied that there was anything imminent on that front.

"We are concerned by our trade imbalances, which are rapidly growing. Our massive trade deficit with China cannot be the mere product of a competitive disadvantage between the EU and China. It has to do with persistent market access problems encountered by European firms in China," said Borrell.

"The crux of the matter is that China is becoming less attractive. European firms can no longer send as many expatriates to China. We also care about the reaction of our public's opinion, considering the potential losses of jobs in critical sectors such as the automotives ... In a democratic system such as the European one, you cannot ignore what voters think," he added.

Asked about tensions in the Taiwan Strait, Borrell said that the EU remained "fully committed to its one-China policy", which he said is based on six principles including no formal recognition of the island as an independent state and no "intimidation, coercion and provocation from any side".

However, within that, Europe retained the right to nurture bilateral ties with Taiwan, "which do not imply any kind of political recognition as an independent country".

 

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He said dumber things on gardens and jungles so i would not care what he says much.
The man is a dumbass, who still thinks that Europe
Is indispensable to the world, not realizing that the world has not only long out grown Europe but is in fact being held back by Europe and its policies of sucking the USA ding ding without a cares In The world in regards to how humiliating and disgusting it is to everyone else that matters. Once Europe really starts to suffer a true depression, I wonder if this man will survive for that much longer
 

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It would essentially be a Stare decisis as they say, In the future if US were to mass incarcerate former citizens their relatives in China could pressure Beijing to act and this case would be pointed out to justify it besides if Hamas decides to let her go they'll be expecting a favour which could put China in an unfavourable position it's simply not worth the trouble it makes sense to go through with it only if the said person is of the caliber of someone like Qian Xusen

Are you saying if the US is mass arresting former Chinese citizens that China shouldn't feel pressure to do anything? I imagine this would create a huge issue in China whether or not this young woman's case existed or not...

The weibo post's veracity has been called into question, but even if we assume it is true, there is no indication there that officials are negotiating for her release. It might only go as far as checking into her well being, as is often done by Swedish consular staff on behalf of other nations in North Korea, so it is not unprecedented.

What favours could Hamas expect from China anyway? Over and over again the Chinese government says the best way is a 2 state solution. If anything, it would only potentially make things worse if they killed her.
 

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The only one true next Dalai Lama is the one selected by the Golden Urn in Xizang, China.

It would be hilarious if the West and India selected their very own false Dalai Lamas, with both of them fighting for legitimacy outside of Xizang. The CIA-aligned CTA appointing their own false Dalai Lama. While the Modi selects his own false Dalai Lama that would be loyal only to him. I think its quite feasible, and would be very entertaining to watch.
Or just get rid of him because probrably the other tibetan schools (Nyingma, Sakya and Kagyu) will take over and replace the Gelugpa.
 

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What favours could Hamas expect from China anyway?
If the relations keep deteriorating between Israel and much of the world, Hamas might be able to ask for a state visit. It has precedent because some western governments have also met with anti government organization leaders from China.
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Cheap way for Korea to make itself feel useful in the struggle. Anyone could have predicted they will do this, as surely as one could predict US arms going to Israel.
 

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Saudi Arabia puts Israel deal on ice amid war, engages with Iran, sources say​

normalise ties with Israel on ice, two sources familiar with Riyadh's thinking said, signalling a rapid rethinking of its foreign policy priorities as war escalates between Israel and Palestinian group Hamas.

The conflict has also pushed the kingdom to engage with Iran. Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman took his first phone call from Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi as Riyadh tries to prevent a broader surge in violence across the region.

The two sources told Reuters there would be a delay in the U.S.-backed talks on normalization with Israel that was a key step for the kingdom to secure what Riyadh considers the real prize of a U.S. defence pact in exchange.

Until Iran-backed Hamas sparked a war on Oct. 7 by launching a devastating attack on Israel, both Israeli and Saudi leaders had been saying they were moving steadily towards a deal that could have reshaped the Middle East.

Saudi Arabia, birthplace of Islam and home to its two holiest sites, had until the latest conflict indicated it would not allow its pursuit of a U.S. defence pact be derailed even if Israel did not offer significant concessions to the Palestinians in the their bid for statehood, sources had previously said.

But an approach that sidelined Palestinians would risk angering Arabs around the region, as Arab news outlets broadcast images of Palestinians killed in Israeli retaliatory airstrikes.

Hamas fighters killed more than 1,300 Israelis in their Oct. 7 attack and more than 1,500 had been killed by Friday in Israel's ongoing strikes on Gaza in response.

The first source familiar with Riyadh's thinking said talks could not be continued for now and the issue of Israeli concessions for the Palestinians would need to be a bigger priority when discussions resumed - a comment that indicates Riyadh has not abandoned the idea.

The Saudi government did not respond to emailed requests for comment on this article.
The first source familiar with Riyadh's thinking said talks could not be continued for now and the issue of Israeli concessions for the Palestinians would need to be a bigger priority when discussions resumed - a comment that indicates Riyadh has not abandoned the idea.indicates Riyadh has not abandoned the idea.

The Biden admin only policy that had any chance of winning just went up into flames before the election.
 
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