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RedMetalSeadramon

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Doesn't excuse the constant reposting of Reuters, Bloomberg, AFP, the constant quoting western think tanks to demonize the country. what westerners thinks are irrelevant, they still think the three gorges dam collapsed 5 separate times in the last 3 years.
Here's another example, how is 160km from the thing "near" Huangyan island ? but SCMP is a cockroach publication and parrots Reuters as expected

edit: they changed the title

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South China Sea: 3 Filipino fishermen die near Scarborough Shoal after being rammed by foreign vessel

The fishermen died after their boat was rammed by a still-unidentified foreign commercial vessel, the Philippine coastguard said on Wednesday
It said the incident occurred about 160km from Scarborough Shoal on Monday and that 11 crew members had survived the sinking

Three Filipino fishermen died after their fishing boat was rammed by a still-unidentified foreign commercial vessel while crossing the South China Sea, the Philippine coastguard said on Wednesday.

The incident occurred on Monday while the boat was transiting waters 85 nautical miles (157km) northwest of the disputed Scarborough Shoal, it said in a statement. Eleven crew members survived after the boat sank.
Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jnr said on Wednesday that the sinking was still under investigation, but vowed in a post on social media platform X to “exert every effort to hold accountable those who are responsible for this unfortunate maritime incident”.
[An image shared on social media by Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jnr showing the recovery of Filipino fishermen’s bodies following the “unfortunate maritime incident”. Photo: X/@bongbongmarcos]


In a post on its Facebook page, the Philippine coastguard said it had responded to a “maritime incident involving a Filipino fishing boat rammed by an unidentified foreign commercial vessel transiting the vicinity waters off Bajo de Masinloc”, as the Philippines calls Scarborough Shoal.

A Filipino crew member of a vessel called Dearyn told officials that the ramming occurred around 4:20am on Monday while they were fishing with their “mother boat” 85 nautical miles (157km) northwest of the shoal.

The mother boat submerged, resulting in the death of its three crew members, including its boat captain, the coastguard said.


The 11 crew members who survived the maritime incident used their eight service boats to leave the waters and transport the deceased to Cato barangay in Infanta municipality, Pangasinan province, the coastguard said.

They arrived around 10am on Tuesday and reported the incident to the nearest coastguard substation for assistance.
The Philippines’ defence chief last week vowed to stand up to “bullying” in the South China Sea and defend Manila’s territorial claims in the disputed waterway.
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Defence Secretary Gilberto Teodoro Jnr also further said in an interview on Tuesday that the Philippines will set up more military bases to protect its coastal territory.


“These will be joint sites of the coastguard, Philippine navy, Philippine air force and civilian agencies,” Teodoro told local media outlet GMA News, adding that the new locations are yet to be identified and the groundwork for the project will start next year.
Under their 2014 Enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement, the Philippines this year gave the US access to four additional sites near the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea, bringing the number of military installations Washington can use in the archipelago nation to nine. The pact allows the US to rotate in troops for prolonged stays, as well as build and operate facilities on its bases.
Teodoro’s remarks followed recent tensions between China and the Philippines that were rekindled by an August incident in which China deployed water cannons at Philippine vessels resupplying the BRP Sierre Madre, a grounded Philippine vessel at the Second Thomas Shoal used by the Southeast Asian nation as a makeshift base.

[A Chinese coastguard ship tries to block the way of a Philippine supply boat, left, as it heads towards Second Thomas Shoal, on August 22. Photo: AP]
Manila last week said its personnel had removed a Chinese floating barrier near the Scarborough Shoal, a prime fishing spot and one of Asia’s most contested maritime features, calling it a violation of international law and a hazard to navigation.

The strategic shoal, named after a British cargo vessel that ran aground on the atoll in the 18th century, was seized in 2012 by China, which has maintained a constant presence of coastguard and fishing trawlers there ever since.
China has rejected the Philippine version of events over the barrier, while the United States has weighed in with support behind Manila and vowed to honour its treaty commitments to defend its treaty ally if attacked.

The Philippine coastguard did not elaborate on the incident or provide details of the vessel it said had rammed the Filipino crew.
 
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luosifen

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I think it isn't a bad idea for Xi to meet the two senators, but Xi must be brutally honest that if they want to something (such as halting all actions against Micron in the Chinese market), the US side should reciprocate (use the word "reciprocity") by allowing CRRC to compete in all future US rail projects (including DC Metro), open its market to Huawei phones and 5G modem, etc. In other words, there must be "reciprocity" in market access and national security concessions.
Xi has better things to do than waste time giving free PR points to senators of lower diplomatic standing to him. Lower level representatives can handle giving them the brutal honesty over what needs to be done to create the conditions for a meeting with the boss.
 

manqiangrexue

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Good Lord!!! I know China would retaliate in some shape or form after the Filipino Coast Guard cut the rope, but this looks like a whole new level of escalation (cuz lives are now lost instead of a game of chicken). Good God! The ball is the in the US Navy's court now.

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Shit, if Chinese people did this, it doesn't feel like it's the Coast Guard or PLAN because they don't ram a ship and leave people to die in the middle of the ocean. They announce themselves and if they are not acknowledged after several warnings, they may ram the ship and then save the sailors but the survivors basically said an unidentified foreign vessel rammed through them and left them for dead. I'd be disappointed if any Chinese government-related arm did this. If they were Chinese, maybe a fishing boat with a wild captain.
 

coolgod

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Good Lord!!! I know China would retaliate in some shape or form after the Filipino Coast Guard cut the rope, but this looks like a whole new level of escalation (cuz lives are now lost instead of a game of chicken). Good God! The ball is the in the US Navy's court now.

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Where did you see that it was "China" who retaliated in that new article?

“unidentified commercial vessel” allegedly rammed their fishing boat near Scarborough Shoal, the Philippine coast guard said Wednesday, compounding tensions in a region of the disputed
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that is already a flashpoint.
The Philippine coast guard said it was working to confirm what type of vessel was involved in the incident but added the boat that caused the collision was “foreign”.

Did the US see the Chinese do it? Nope.
Did the Philippine see the Chinese do it? Nope.
Did ASEAN countries see the Chinese do it? Nope.

Well clearly China didn't do it, otherwise the article would say a Chinese vessel did it ;) .

US, Philippines Partner with Allies During Exercise Sama Sama 2023​

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MANILA, Philippines - The U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, Armed Forces of the Philippines joined allies to commence the seventh iteration of exercise Sama Sama in the city of Manila, Philippines, Oct. 2.
Participating assets include the U.S. Navy’s dry cargo ammunition ship USNS Wally Schirra (T-AKE 8), Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Dewey (DDG 105) and a maritime surveillance aircraft P-8 Poseidon along with the Philippine Navy’s BRP Antonio Luna (FF 151), Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force’s JS Akebono (DD 108) and the Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Vancouver (FFG -331).

US and Philippines launch military drills with partners as China tensions mount​

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Sama Sama features more than 1,800 personnel from the participating countries, many aboard warships from the Philippines, the US, the UK, Japan and Canada. The exercises will take place in the Philippine Naval Forces Southern Luzon area, with headquarters on the country’s Pacific coast, almost 300 miles (480 kilometers) southeast of Manila and about 560 miles (900 kilometers) from the Spratly Islands, according to the PNA.

Guess where Shandong CSG is right now?
 
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TK3600

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Shit, if Chinese people did this, it doesn't feel like it's the Coast Guard or PLAN because they don't ram a ship and leave people to die in the middle of the ocean. They announce themselves and if they are not acknowledged after several warnings, they may ram the ship and then save the sailors but these guys basically said an unidentified foreign vessel rammed through them and left them for dead. I'd be disappointed if any Chinese government-related arm did this. If they were Chinese, maybe a fishing boat with a wild captain.
What if it was Vietnam? Do they claim the area too?
 

OTCDebunker

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sorry man i'm not working on comparative history projects... yet. So far, I think most people understand that Chinese mainly focus on Chinese history which has also become full of Western revisionism. When you see such articles presenting evidence against the distortions, maybe it is government-linked, maybe it isn't, but remember that there are definitely patriotic (or sympathetic non-citizen) humanities majors working on it.

As for Romans and China, the comparison is like apples to oranges haha, the Romans were primarily a war machine, i.e. very high iron production, large standing armies, but fueled by distributing conquered farmlands to soldiers and selling captured slaves. And the early Empire (until 284AD) was governed jointly by the emperor and the Senate aristocrats, the former governing the outer provinces and the latter the inner provinces. The moment the empire could not find anymore easy conquests (Dacia, Germania and Parthia either being too united or too inaccessible) which you see happening around 180AD, the whole empire came crumbling (235AD) and the legions and the Senate began elevating their own emperors, with the last one standing getting to pillage the rest. Emperors destroyed the economy raising taxes and debasing the currency to pay off the army. After that date every emperor except Aurelian and Constantine had to divide the empire into parts for different emperors to rule, or face civil war.

Han China in contrast was a civil state that succeeded in creating a powerful central government. War with the Xiongnu, open steppe warfare, depended on horse not iron/manpower supply. It was only winnable through co-opting some of the horse tribes by providing generous financial and material benefits, while preventing the Chanyu from co-opting Han vassal kings to cut off his grain/silk supply. All these processes need political consolidation at a level unknown in Rome which never had a clear system of succession and heavily relied on the emperor's personal presence for many aspects of justice and warfare.

OK so the overall quantity of iron production in Rome was impressive, but what if we added the actual military technology and then the tactics each side uses.

My understanding is that things like Han and earlier dynasty crossbows were amongst some of the best weapons in the ancient world, and also that Roman warfare was rather...boring for lack of a better term.

Basically, just form a Testudo formation (unless the situation dictates that you don't need the defensive boost), slowly march and engage the enemy's frontlines, then maintain a shield wall formation and constantly 'rotate' soldiers from the very front row/rank so that nobody gets too tired.

My knowledge on Han Dynasty warfare is not as impressive, but if we go off of 3 Kingdoms era knowledge than we know that Chinese were quite familiar with things like heavy infantry using tight shieldwall formations...and that such tactics are definitely defeatable.

Yes, I'm aware that ROMANCE of the Three Kingdoms is heavily fictionalized, but that RECORDS of the Three Kingdoms is certainly more accurate.

Also, from my understanding the Romans heavily, heavily employed auxuilllaries and other foreign mercenaries into their ranks and military, and that it was oftentimes the auxillaries and foreign mercenaries who won the fights for Rome. Certainly, without those Auxillaries Rome would've ran out of human capital long before reaching their height.
 

pmc

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China should enact a law for their police: If a foreigner gets down on the ground to take a photo of policemen from that angle, arrest that person and kick him/her out of the country as an enemy combatant engaging in information warfare.
i think its the dog in middle of street that got attention. see this FIFA world cup in Qatar. this dog comes into play in secondary role and not often visible to people as this not look like with police.

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Chevalier

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What the NYT article reveals foremostly is not that China is really having a "brain drain", instead, it exposes the real reason why the collective West can't compete with China anymore.


What's next? A shortage of fentanyl for cancer patients in the US?

No genocide in Xinjiang? No worries, we will just accuse them with "culture genocide"!
"Culture genocide":

Zhang Yufei is beautiful.
You want to see real genocide, by the western presstitute standards, the fact that no westerner recognised Latin is proof positive of genocide in the west
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ansy1968

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What if it was Vietnam? Do they claim the area too?
Yes, because the arbitration ruling allow them to fish there, so in essence the Philippine don't have the rightful claimed in the area as it was declared an open fishing ground. So why the drama, the Philippine don't owned the shoal, the narrative they want to convey is to cover their embarrassment, that the Filipino fisherman were not allow to fish not the issue of sovereignty.
 
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