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Just don't call it what it is and it isn't it. The West thinks their words speak louder than their actions. Why are Republicans against critical race theory? It's because it's about the truth in the history of the US. Do you ever hear a Republican claim they're lies? No so it's about hiding the truth so they can go thinking what they want to hide is as good as it never happened. I've heard from Republicans charge that the Chinese government is hiding the truth from the Chinese people because if it was ever revealed to them, there would be a revolt in China against the communists. Hence why they want to hide the truth from their own people for that very logic. But the US gets to hide its evils because they're the good guys.
 
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Stierlitz said:
I thought that terms of agreement were that Azovstal commanders would remain in Turkey until the end of war? This also follows Erdogan's public endorsement of Ukrainian NATO membership. Curious to see how Russia reacts to this. Perhaps they'll pull out of Black Sea Grain Deal that Turkey brokered.

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Erdogan has not much valuable left to give to Zelensky and Zelensky need wins. Russia will highlight it anyway to show that Turkey cannot keep agreements but they will still deal with Erdogan. If there was agreement Turkish state should have over ruled Erdogan.
Its almost 1.5 years and Russia should be able to scientifically defeat them in battlefield and not create side deals.
 
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plawolf said:
Have you not considered the timing of the Chinese announcement about export controls?

Yellen would have had a full laundry list of key areas she would have wanted to talk to China about, but now her whole trip is dominant by just this one issue. This is also an issue where the US cannot compromise on at all, so she basically can only come out barking, which is precisely the image Beijing wants - China graciously invited her to come and talk to try to improve relations, and all she does when she arrives is bark threats and demands.

I see this as China basically starting the process of manufacturing consent for war amongst the global south, but principally internally.

If and when the day comes when the balloon has to go up, the Chinese nation and people must be absolutely fired up to be willing and able to endure potentially years of hardship and loss. That’s how you win before you even fire the first shot.
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I think Yellen is just giving out loud words for US domestic audience and China knows this. Yellen isn't career politician, she doesn't need to come to China to grandstand like Blinken, see 玉渊谭天's two detailed explanation posts
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Yellen will likely go back to Washington to persuade Biden to "not extend the soon expiring tariffs", then maybe China will sell less US treasuries.
 
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This is significant. A group of Americans in the ranks of Richard Haass met with Russia’s foreign minister in New York in April. People like Haass don't do that kind of things personally. They know there might be ramifications to them individually. The fact that they did it tells me there is an under-current in the US that has enough of this war.
 
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It is absolutely weak in the sense that modernization has not been completed and still has a long way to go. We shouldn't let pride get in the way of objective analysis.

Frankly, I would say that in many aspects China is severely lacking in what you would expect from the largest economy in the world by PPP. I'll grant that buildup and modernization started relatively recently in historical terms, but for the longest time the military was simply not taken very seriously in comparison to economic growth. That was a mistake the Song dynasty made and it cost them.
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On the subject of Song military, Song's military spending was the highest among all Chinese dynasties. It had the largest standing army, the heaviest armoured troops, the highest ratio of armoured soldiers and best weaponry (both number and quality). It was the most technologically advanced army in the area and time. It was also among the richest in terms of GDP. Yet it had the weakest military. It was repeatedly defeated and annilated by forces of much worse weaponry and numbers, from Liao, Jin and Yuan/Mongol.

So weaponry and number isn't something useful in judging the military being weak or strong. It is how you use them and how you use your allies to achieve your objectives. Yuan used large amount of Khitans unders Jin rule to fight Jin, then used Han troops under Jin rule to fight Song (southern). Han (dynasty) used large Xiongnu and central asian troops to fight Xionnu. Tang used large Turkic troops to fight rivalry Turks. Qing used large Han troops to defeat Ming, then large Khalkha Mongol troops to defeat Dzungar Mongol. All these "allies" were not under direct rule of the emperor but vassels, so these dynasties own troop were relatively much smaller than Song.
 
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taxiya said:
On the subject of Song military, Song's military spending was the highest among all Chinese dynasties. It had the largest standing army, the heaviest armoured troops, the highest ratio of armoured soldiers and best weaponry (both number and quality). It was the most technologically advanced army in the area and time. It was also among the richest in terms of GDP. Yet it had the weakest military. It was repeatedly defeated and annilated by forces of much worse weaponry and numbers, from Liao, Jin and Yuan/Mongol.

So weaponry and number isn't something useful in judging the military being weak or strong. It is how you use them and how you use your allies to achieve your objectives. Yuan used large amount of Khitans unders Jin rule to fight Jin, then used Han troops under Jin rule to fight Song (southern). Han (dynasty) used large Xiongnu and central asian troops to fight Xionnu. Tang used large Turkic troops to fight rivalry Turks. Qing used large Han troops to defeat Ming, then large Khalkha Mongol troops to defeat Dzungar Mongol. All these "allies" were not under direct rule of the emperor but vassels, so these dynasties own troop were relatively much smaller than Song.
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Exactly. The Song was skillfull in economic and fiscal matters but military raped on a constant basis.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
What is NAFO?
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New rebrand of the usual US troll farms mobilized in response to the Ukraine war.

They took twitter by storm in the first few months of the conflict, but recently Russia's own trolls along with a mounting amount of western sceptics have been increasingly active in pushing back.

Given that twitter itself is owned by US government affiliated organizations, the fact that NAFO managed to "take over" large parts of twitter for a few months isn't that impressive.

In practice, the use of uninformed, low level paid commentators have sometimes resulted in misunderstandings between the actual American strategists who know the real situation and the armchair troll farms that don't have clearence to access any classified data.

Overall their performance seems so far lackluster, even among the domestic audience.
 
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taxiya said:
On the subject of Song military, Song's military spending was the highest among all Chinese dynasties. It had the largest standing army, the heaviest armoured troops, the highest ratio of armoured soldiers and best weaponry (both number and quality). It was the most technologically advanced army in the area and time. It was also among the richest in terms of GDP. Yet it had the weakest military. It was repeatedly defeated and annilated by forces of much worse weaponry and numbers, from Liao, Jin and Yuan/Mongol.

So weaponry and number isn't something useful in judging the military being weak or strong. It is how you use them and how you use your allies to achieve your objectives. Yuan used large amount of Khitans unders Jin rule to fight Jin, then used Han troops under Jin rule to fight Song (southern). Han (dynasty) used large Xiongnu and central asian troops to fight Xionnu. Tang used large Turkic troops to fight rivalry Turks. Qing used large Han troops to defeat Ming, then large Khalkha Mongol troops to defeat Dzungar Mongol. All these "allies" were not under direct rule of the emperor but vassels, so these dynasties own troop were relatively much smaller than Song.
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The most important thing was the Song gutting the power and influence of its generals, since the previous dynasty before them was brought down precisely because generals like An Lushan had too much power. Like gunwpowder weaponry and siege engines sure gave armies advantages, but it didn't make the disparity that of an ant vs a boot the same way artillery and planes do in modern warfare. In effect, the rulers of the Song had legitimate fears based in history rather than the stereotypical assumption they were just hard core Confucians who looked down on the military class, but they swang the pendulam too far in the other direction.

Granted during the Southern Song period, the army was reorganized in a formidable fighting force, but by then it was too little too late since they weren't just dealing with Mongol horesmen, but the combined might of all territories the Mongols had conquered including Northern China.
 
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