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plawolf

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More meaningless meeting that the sole purpose is just for a show.
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Have you not considered the timing of the Chinese announcement about export controls?

Yellen would have had a full laundry list of key areas she would have wanted to talk to China about, but now her whole trip is dominant by just this one issue. This is also an issue where the US cannot compromise on at all, so she basically can only come out barking, which is precisely the image Beijing wants - China graciously invited her to come and talk to try to improve relations, and all she does when she arrives is bark threats and demands.

I see this as China basically starting the process of manufacturing consent for war amongst the global south, but principally internally.

If and when the day comes when the balloon has to go up, the Chinese nation and people must be absolutely fired up to be willing and able to endure potentially years of hardship and loss. That’s how you win before you even fire the first shot.
 

Stierlitz

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I thought that terms of agreement were that Azovstal commanders would remain in Turkey until the end of war? This also follows Erdogan's public endorsement of Ukrainian NATO membership. Curious to see how Russia reacts to this. Perhaps they'll pull out of Black Sea Grain Deal that Turkey brokered.
KYIV, July 8 (Reuters) - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, returning home from a visit to Turkey, brought with him five commanders of Ukraine's former garrison in Mariupol, forced to live in Turkey under the terms of a prisoner exchange last year.
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emblem21

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Have you not considered the timing of the Chinese announcement about export controls?

Yellen would have had a full laundry list of key areas she would have wanted to talk to China about, but now her whole trip is dominant by just this one issue. This is also an issue where the US cannot compromise on at all, so she basically can only come out barking, which is precisely the image Beijing wants - China graciously invited her to come and talk to try to improve relations, and all she does when she arrives is bark threats and demands.

I see this as China basically starting the process of manufacturing consent for war amongst the global south, but principally internally.

If and when the day comes when the balloon has to go up, the Chinese nation and people must be absolutely fired up to be willing and able to endure potentially years of hardship and loss. That’s how you win before you even fire the first shot.
Strange how these ministers that come from the USA expects anything different from prior visits when all they do is repeat the same talking points without compromises or even self reflection as to why China simply refuse bend the knee under any circumstances. The USA simply doesn’t treat rivals or opposition with any respect or dignity or humanity for that matter so on the day that the USA gets subjected to the ‘fall of Babylon’ so to speak, does that mean China or Russia or any other global south nation has the right to treat them as sub human wastes going forward, because with the way Biden/his hench men acts, it’s like he wants this to happen unless they are that crazy and think they are divine and thus they really do need to be taken down a lot of pegs
 

Dark Father

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Ah, yes. That cliche again. We love individual Chinese people doing our bidding, but a government following it's own interest and not 100% following our dictats is the problem.



Despite bilateral tensions, record high U.S.-Chinese trade last year showed there was "ample room" to engage in trade and investment, and it was critical to focus on areas of common interest and address disagreements through dialogue, Yellen told Chinese Vice Premier He Lifeng at the start of a meeting. The talks lasted for about five hours and was followed by a dinner, according to a Treasury official. Yellen is due to hold a news conference in Beijing early on Sunday. Yellen also met with the People’s Bank of China's Communist Party chief Pan Gongsheng on Friday, discussing global macroeconomic and financial developments, including the disproportionate impact of recent economic shocks on low-income countries, Treasury said.

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Dark Father

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The Washington Post today. He Lifeng loves the use of state power with regards to industry while Grandma Yellen urged market reforms (read neoliberalism). According to the Washington Post that is the antithema of what grandmother is telling the Chinese leaders to do. Also quoting some think tankies to make their point. Instead they like the US-educated Liu He more than the ''domestic'' He Lifeng. They like assets that they can use. A Chinese Gorbachev and Yeltsin would be a dream come true. How dare we to let the state play and ''outsized'' economic role. The private real estate oligarchs will take care of everything including Steve Jobs and Foxconn. Liu He is an 'international educated' policy wonk. Oh, so powerful so animalistic. That should read he has sniffed western and american culture during his education time and more likely to do our bidding.

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The treasury secretary, a familiar face on the global stage from her tenure as chair of the Federal Reserve, has urged China to “shift toward market reforms,” while He Lifeng has a record of supporting state-directed investments during a government career spent mostly in city and regional posts. He backed a massive development project in Tianjin that drew criticism as a white elephant before heading China’s central planning agency, where he emphasized an outsize economic role for the state.

Taking the measure of Xi’s new team was a key reason Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen
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this week, and the visit is seen as an essential step toward narrowing the diplomatic gap between Washington and Beijing. On Saturday, Yellen got her first chance for extensive talks with China’s new economic chief, Vice Premier He Lifeng, 68, who replaced Liu He in March. Yellen and He led talks that revolved around how each government is redrawing the line between commercial links that generate profits and those that create security risks.

“He’s no Liu He,” said Scott Kennedy, a senior adviser on China at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “Yellen and He look at the world through very different lenses.” Welcoming Yellen on Saturday, He quoted Xi on the need for “a generally stable U.S.-China relationship” and expressed a willingness to work with her to bring that about. He also alluded to “difficulties” in the relationship caused earlier this year by the Chinese spy balloon that wandered across the United States until President Biden ordered it
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off the South Carolina coast.

In a statement after the roughly six-hour meeting, which continued over dinner, Treasury said the talks had been “candid, constructive, and comprehensive.” The two sides discussed economic issues and potential areas of cooperation, including climate finance and debt relief for low-income countries.

He’s links to Xi date to the 1980s, when the latter was deputy mayor of the port city of Xiamen, and He was the city’s finance director.
The two were so close that He reportedly attended Xi’s 1987 marriage to the popular Chinese singer Peng Liyuan, said Dennis Wilder, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst who advised President George W. Bush on China policy.

When Xi became governor of Fujian province, He served under him again. In 2012, Xi succeeded Hu Jintao as China’s top leader and two years later promoted He to the post of deputy chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission, China’s powerful central planning agency.

Now, as one of four new vice premiers, He will be responsible for economic management, including the financial sector and foreign trade, two areas in which he “does not have any prior experience,” according to Minxin Pei, editor of China Leadership Monitor, a journal based in the U.S.

“He is the epitome of a Xi Jinping protégé,” said Wilder. “This means that He Lifeng knows Xi Jinping’s mind better than just about anyone else, including Premier Li Qiang. He is an ultimate insider and an ultimate loyalist. Whatever Xi wants of him, he will do without hesitation.”

But his influence began to fade as Xi increasingly turned to the state sector to lead economic development. Last year, state-owned enterprises accounted for 71 percent of China’s year-over-year investment growth, according to Gerard DiPippo, a senior fellow at CSIS.

“Liu is an internationally educated policy wonk. He was once a champion of market reforms, but that lost steam over time as it wasn’t the direction Xi was most inclined to go,” said Anna Ashton, director of China corporate affairs for the Eurasia Group. “He Lifeng is a domestically educated political animal with more of a day-to-day operational focus, and a reputation for getting things done and enforcing Xi’s preferences.” Saturday’s talks — held in a high-ceiled room lit by eight square chandeliers — included other fresh faces on the Chinese side of the table, including Pan Gongsheng, the incoming central bank chief.|

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Dark Father

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But hey lads there is also good industrial policy when we do it. Neoliberalism and small inactive government for thee, strong government with powerful industrial policies for us. Maybe we can dissolve the state and live like as during the Erlitou era. Neoliberalism.

The IRA is part of a broader policy agenda with the CHIPS and Science Act that provides US$280 billion in federal funding for research and the fabrication of logic and memory chips inside the United States. The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act also funnelled US$700 billion into electrification, renewable energy and digital infrastructure and has already funded 20,000 projects since 2021.

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Sardaukar20

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Russia only allows India that level of leeway because they’re still hesitant or we’re hesitant about going all in with China, because they know that China will eventually influence Russia to such an extent that they believe they will be as under thr Golden Horde.
In my opinion. It was right of Russia to be suspicious of anyone, even close neighbours, considering what had been inflicted onto Russia throughout its history. The wounds of the Sino-Russian conflicts are healing, but it can never be erased.

The Chinese were also right to distrust the Russians after what the former Russian Empire and a Soviet Union did to China. But Russia did went through 2 painful collapse in 1917 and 1991. The 1917 collapse was rightly deserved. And Russians had it's own share of pain to endure too. The current Ukraine War is perhaps the latest wake up call for Russia. This is the perfect time to see who are the true friends of Russia. While some snowflakes in Russia still don't trust China, the general consensus is that China is regarded as an ally.

What Russians have to learn is that China can be depended on as a friend. China is not gonna be that perfect ally like Belarus who will approve of everything Russia is doing. But China can be depended on to be a true friend to help Russia out of some deep trouble. As long as Russia is a friend. China had never forced Russia to submit as a junior. Nothing like what the US and EU did. Even now when Russia needed China more than ever, China had never bragged that it had Russia in its pocket. Not like how the Indian media were bragging about taking advantage of Russia's isolation from the West. That is what a true friend does. Help, but also respect.

Whatever Russians think about China today, I think things are going in the right direction. Sooner or later, the Russians will learn that China is actually a good friend. Not the perfect military ally, but a good friend to keep. India is just lip service and hot air. Right now India is using Russia as a bargaining chip against the West and China. When India sees that Russia is no longer in its interest, it'll abandon Russia without any qualms.


I interpret this as Russian spec ops neutralising CIA/CIA backed death squads who were targeting Chinese miners and engineers on BRI projects.
Good. It's about time that China and Russia work together properly to protect the BRI militarily against terrorists sponsored by hostile powers. This is what's worth fighting for. Not that Prigozhin temper-tantrum crap.
 

AssassinsMace

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Does Biden even remember what he has said during the conservation.
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"I said: This is not a threat. This is an observation," Biden said.

"Since Russia went into Ukraine, 600 American corporations have pulled out of Russia. And you have told me that your economy depends on investment from Europe and the United States. And be careful. Be careful."
This is how the West operates. Biden was already planning investment curbs. He was just waiting for a spin to blame it on China. That's why when the US attacks Chinese companies, they aren't punitive actions meaning China has no right to retaliate but when China singles out US companies, it's all punitive. Or look at Europe. They punish China because it violates human rights while China retaliates it's because China is just being mean.

This why the West is in panic over organizations like BRICS being formed. Because what they're doing ganging allies up to punish others, they don't want being done to them. That's why all the talk over supply chains. They're worried they're going to be cut-off from them in an organized way. It's going to be for the West worse than the 1970s oil embargo.
 

H2O

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Strange how these ministers that come from the USA expects anything different from prior visits when all they do is repeat the same talking points without compromises or even self reflection as to why China simply refuse bend the knee under any circumstances. The USA simply doesn’t treat rivals or opposition with any respect or dignity or humanity for that matter so on the day that the USA gets subjected to the ‘fall of Babylon’ so to speak, does that mean China or Russia or any other global south nation has the right to treat them as sub human wastes going forward, because with the way Biden/his hench men acts, it’s like he wants this to happen unless they are that crazy and think they are divine and thus they really do need to be taken down a lot of pegs

I don't know if anyone here mentioned this or not but it dawned on me about the current antics of Western leaders such as UK's Tobias Ellwood, as most of you guys are probably too young (or wasn't around) to remember. I'm reminded of Nixon's Madman theory which is to make adversaries think you're irrational and volatile. According to the theory, your adversaries would then avoid provoking you, fearing an unpredictable response from you. However, political pundits can't agree on whether such tactics work or not.

The way I see it, the problem for subscribers of Nixon's Madman theory is that, China today really is speaking from a position of strength. A quick tour of the US and UK will easily reveal just how weak these nations really are.

In the event that Western leaders are truly insane, running around the neighborhood like a rabid dog, then it's best do what everyone does with dogs infected with rabies; put them down.
 
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