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siegecrossbow

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But I do hope Blinken could expect a welcome gift during his visit, though:
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Also, the Chinese officials responsible for preparing his visit should decorate all the venues for his visit with hundreds or even thousands of red-coloured balloons at every room he stays and along every corridor he walks through.

More merrier that way.
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LawLeadsToPeace

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I think something else on the table for discussion is just in general, regarding Taiwan. What exactly? Well some control so that a hot conflict between China and US erupts this or next year (there's gonna be election in both Taiwan and US somewhat soon).
Not like China won't be able to fight now, but if it can be avoided or at the very least, postponed, then it's something that China want to work towards within 'reasonable parameters' etc.
Ignoring them would be enough then. There is literally no need to talk to them nor escalate things. The lack of diplomacy nearly caused full panic within the Biden administration and showed to the entire world the US isn’t this 10 feet giant anymore despite their supposed threats that had zero permanent damage.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Ignoring them would be enough then. There is literally no need to talk to them nor escalate things. The lack of diplomacy nearly caused full panic within the Biden administration and showed to the entire world the US isn’t this 10 feet giant anymore despite their supposed threats that had zero permanent damage.
Complete silence and no communication is likely worse than some communication even if it might end up being for nothing.

At the end of the day, it was judged by the people at the top in China, that some communication and this meeting with Blinken is better than not.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Complete silence and no communication is likely worse than some communication even if it might end up being for nothing.
The past few months have proven otherwise. If anything, despite what the US says, they have been much more careful and are publicly and increasingly concerned about a war with China in comparison to before. The shunning of the US by the Chinese, if anything, caused the US to blink first. The US exhibited more weakness in the last few months than they have in the past few decades.

At the end of the day, it was judged by the people at the top in China, that some communication and this meeting with Blinken is better than not.
Agreed. But as we have seen in history, even the best leaders make mistakes. Leaders aren’t perfect. Sure, we can’t influence anything, but analyzing this allows us to judge the involved parties appropriately.
 

Fedupwithlies

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The past few months have proven otherwise. If anything, despite what the US says, they have been much more careful and are publicly and increasingly concerned about a war with China in comparison to before. The shunning of the US by the Chinese, if anything, caused the US to blink first.


Agreed. But as we have seen in history, even the best leaders make mistakes. Leaders aren’t perfect. Sure, we can’t influence anything, but analyzing this allows us to judge the involved parties appropriately.
Let's see what they say before we claim the US blinks first. For all we know Blinkin wants to meet because they think threats will be better received in person.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Let's see what they say before we claim the US blinks first. For all we know Blinking wants to meet because they think threats will be better received in person.
Agreed. For all we know, perhaps Qin Gang needs to personally slap Blinken to get his point across, or on a more serious note, the US conceded something big that can’t be revealed yet.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Did Blinken get a visit with President Xi or is Xi cutting out the middleman this time?

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President Xi: Hey billy G, can i say Billy G? How are microsofts profits in China?
Billy G: Microsoft does extremely well in China president Xi.
President Xi: okey okey, if you would like to keep those profits don't release a corona virus again in China!!!
Billy G: I understand you comrade Xi...
 

TK3600

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Complete silence and no communication is likely worse than some communication even if it might end up being for nothing.

At the end of the day, it was judged by the people at the top in China, that some communication and this meeting with Blinken is better than not.
I know what you mean. Even if uncooperative some communication prevents miscalculation. And talking is free.

But I do not agree with that. Talking is not free. Any move to talk will actually be used for ammo for escalation. Example, US purposefully give a provocative statement on Taiwan. China forced to reply in certain statements according to its principle. US then misrepresent that statement and use that as ammo for domestic propaganda.

Secondly US does not actually desire a shooting war with China for the most part. But they are very interested to provoke China for domestic interest and international diplomacy. With that in mind, US is unlikely to start certain actions that gaurantee a shooting war, talk or no talk.

The problem being US is unsure of where that bottom line is, so they need communication with China to gauge Chinese response. They want to optimally provoke as much as possible, but not start a war directly. When China cut off the communication, US is forced to create a safety buffer. They can no longer tell what degree of provocation is optimal. They then need to create a buffer of "unsure, too risky move to test" to avoid. Had they be able to communicate, they could keep testing out until the response is too risky. Then instead of provoking they use Chinese response as evidence for aggression.

Once you read it this way, there is no longer any benefit for China to provide feedback on its bottom line. US must be cautious and play it safe, or fuck around and find out. US can play it safe as it should, or it could overextend and get punished. Either way is preferable outcome over providing US the guardrail.
 
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