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Phead128

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They reminisce the time of
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literally "great king who vastly expanded our territory". There is a
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named after him. He is also the subject of several k-dramas such as
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The good thing is Tang dynasty utterly destroyed Goguryeo so that Korea will never recover for 1,500 years, never capable of challenging China ever again. If SK wants to be Goguryeo 2.0 to challenge China, so be it.
Who said it wasn’t an act of war? I’m saying it will be war between US vassals & China but that the US itself can choose the level of involvement. If Japan starts shooting at China that doesn’t mean the US is now at war.

I feel like you have been arguing a straw man from the start. The idea is that the US wants to have its vassals form a security alliance that can fight China in a limited war without direct US involvement, which will drain Chinese resources without risking US assets (beyond those it chooses to sell or gift). The parallel to Ukraine is that the US is bleeding both sides (Europe & Russia), while it takes virtually no damage and gets to channel public funds into its weapons industry.
US has war-time control of SK military, so it's impossible for SK to go to war without US involvement. Also, Japan's Constitutional Pacifism and renouncing war is based on US as security protector, so Japan going to war alone would require revision to it's Constitution. SK doesn't trust Japan to form an alliance with each other, as we seen in Cold War and against NK.


Also, US tried to form an Asian NATO , it was called SEATO and it failed miserably. That was when China was even weaker than it is right now.
 

getready

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China is being baited over Taiwan, but Taiwan isn't going to fight alone. That's what's happening right now - the building of a security alliance in East Asia for the purpose of starting a proxy war over Taiwan.

All the latest news are building up to this. Yoon's election, Marcos Jr.'s election, the Move Forward Party's election - all of these are pieces of a larger whole. Japan and South Korea making peace with each other, Yoon's minstrel submission to the US, Marcos Jr.'s about turn on China; why do you think these are all happening at once? Coincidence? Liberal wave?

No. This is the US activating its assets in East Asia. Preparing the field.
This does align with Peter Lee aka Chinahand‘s take when asked by Carl Zha, something along the lines of how silly it is for the US to take on both Russia and China at same time. Which is question I ask myself too, a pretty valid question. I mean how come US is this stupid? Are they suicidal?
His reply was basically that the US is just taking its opportunity when the cards are mostly lining up. They are able to manipulate all the anti China elements around china, Japan, yoon in SK, Marcos in Phillipines, India and now possibly the pro US Thailand after recent elections, it’s not often these favourable conditions all align together to be able to make use of. The proxy war in Russia isn’t really costing any American troops or assets yet cuz it’s still a proxy war for now. They can afford to warmonger on China. Although how long this can continue I’m not sure.

Also, Not to mention in Aus where all the mainstream media, not just Murdoch rags, are constantly warmongering on China, there is definitely a feeling of preparing us to accept that war with China is close to inevitable and if that happens, China is the bad guy.

just the reporting on Ukraine conflict by smh alone, supposedly a more independent newspaper in Australia is enough to make me puke. No difference if it was reporting done by the US state department itself. I have no doubt if war in Taiwan happened this will be same kind of BS propaganda served by Aussie media.
 
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caudaceus

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They're also training themselves at the same time so if one day they encounter Chinese jets they won't have to seek counselling afterwards like the Aussies. Smart fellas.

... Either that or they heard about those amazing tea eggs from the Taiwanese and wanted to see what the fuss was about.
German doesn't operate 5th gen jets nor naval jets, what kind of experience does china want?
 

baykalov

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The Estonian Chihuahua, from a "position of strength", will lecture Asian countries:


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Europe is fretting that Asia isn’t doing enough to condemn Russia and support Ukraine — and it’s revving up efforts to sway Asian officials in person.

On Friday, an unprecedentedly high-profile European delegation will converge in Singapore at the Shangri-La Dialogue, Asia’s top security forum. Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas will be there, as will EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, flanked by Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksiy Reznikov.

U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace is also expected to attend in person — as are Boris Pistorius, Kajsa Ollongren and Pål Jonson, the defense ministers from Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden.

Their goal: Rally more Asian countries to help Kyiv.

While many Asian nations initially joined in condemning Russia’s invasion at the United Nations, countries like India and Vietnam continue to count on Russian military or energy supplies, while Western allies Japan and South Korea are unable to let Ukraine get their lethal weapons due to domestic laws. And thus far, Singapore, a tiny city-state, is one of only a handful of Asian countries to have joined the West in sanctioning Russia.

“We must defend core security principles whenever and wherever they are threatened, from Ukraine to the South China Sea,” Borrell is expected to say in the forum, according to prepared remarks his team shared with POLITICO. “The EU is committed to do just that and counts on its partners to do the same.”

“Our member states’ navies are engaged with naval exercises” in the Asia-Pacific region, Borrell will also say. “We are ready to do more, but we need to make sure our cooperation is as operational as possible and a two-way street.”

Borrell will also portray the EU as “a reliable security partner,” one that is different from “a classic military alliance” or “a great power throwing its weight around,” veiled references to the U.S. and China.

“The war against Ukraine is changing Europe [in terms of] training, ammunition, capabilities,” Borrell will tell his Asian counterparts. “[It is] breaking taboos and accelerating [the] EU’s role and capacities on security and defense. This strategic transformation of [the] EU also makes us a more capable partner for Asia.”

One notable omission in the European delegation is French Armed Forces Minister Sébastien Lecornu, who dropped out last-minute.

Another key agenda item for the Europeans in Singapore will also be engaging China — specifically the Chinese Defence Minister Li Shangfu.

Li has been blacklisted by the U.S. for his role in arranging Chinese military supply to Russia. As a result, the expectation is low for Li to meet with his U.S. counterpart, Lloyd Austin, a break from tradition where the top defense officials of the world’s two biggest superpowers usually meet during the Singapore forum.

Li, though, is expected to meet some of his European counterparts. Borrell, who’s also in charge of security policies, has confirmed a meeting with Li, according to three diplomats with knowledge of the event’s planning.

Germany and the Netherlands, which have arranged multiple meetings with Chinese officials in recent weeks, are also looking into a meeting with Li, the diplomats said.

An EU official, granted anonymity to share Brussels’ thinking on diplomatic engagement, stressed that Europe’s message is not just about Ukraine, but would also be focused on its commitment to Indo-Pacific security amid the assertive behavior of China.

A second EU official said the bloc would soon expand joint exercises with Japan, while also stepping up trilateral coordination between Brussels, Tokyo and Washington.
 

Biscuits

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German doesn't operate 5th gen jets nor naval jets, what kind of experience does china want?
I think having a panel of NATO pilots talking about the types of missions they do, their weaknesses and strengths etc would prove useful even if they're not 5th gen fliers. At the very least, the info can be used to make more realistic training scenarios.

And this is likely for a pittance in terms of wages.
 
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