Miscellaneous News

dxq4412

Junior Member
Registered Member
This attitude is unfortunately the problem.

There is no such thing as HK people, only the country, it's allies and it's enemies. HK should not be governed by the "HK people" anymore than SZ is governed by "SZ people". A decline and fall of HK is a failure for China.

The central government is the sole responsible party when it comes to controlling the city, hiding behind excuses of "letting HK people choose" is the exact reason why far right terrorism has become an issue. Even more pathetic is hiding behind the excuse of "honoring" of treaties with genocidal aggressors, which not only should have no legal power, but they have themselves already broken the treaty by interfering into HK affairs when the deal called for non interference on both sides.

People are the way you treat them. The mainland is at fault for separating itself from HK for too long. Beijing didn't want to show itself mass murdering the cockroaches, but the destruction of Xinjiang terrorism already showed that more humane methods of reformation exist. And even if they have to resort to executions, just look at what's happening in other countries, like US and Israel. Such things happen all the time and are a fact of life. Some people would bitch about it, some people would cheer for it.
I cannot express agreement or disagreement with your opinion. Because the last time I did this, I was banned by the authorities, haha. This is also one of the reasons why I came here: the authorities do not like some of my criticisms of them. So I can only try to understand the real thoughts of the authorities on many things. Back to the Hong Kong issue, I do feel that Beijing is still thinking about continuing to play Hong Kong’s core role as the only window for the world’s capital to freely enter and exit the mainland market. And this core role, in the eyes of some people in the authorities, does indeed require Hong Kong’s local elite group to continue to implement it according to past and present successful experiences. In plain terms, these people need Hong Kong’s interest groups to continue to collude with mainland interest groups to continue to stably support the huge interest groups of the State Council departments in the mainland (in plain terms, interest groups that oppose further deepening reform and oppose a full transition to an internal circulation economy), this is an objective fact, no matter how many people do not like this point, they can only accept the status quo in the short term (unless there is a revolution or civil war). The events of 2019 made the mainland realize that the old model was not very safe, so they created a Hainan Free Trade Port and continued to let Yi Gang serve as governor of the central bank (this guy was still buying US Treasury bonds when inflation was at its worst in 2022). Well, I am sure this is another result of internal compromise. As for whether it will change in the future, I can only say wait and see. So you see, many things are not about willingness but about ability.
 

Sardaukar20

Captain
Registered Member
I wonder how those who find the PoW salvage story so funny would feel the same if people were digging up the graves of Chinese soldiers killed in WW2 to sell relics for profit? Remember, the sailors on HMS Repulse and PoW were fighting China's enemy too.
The British dug up the sacred mummies of the ancient pharaohs of Egypt. The British looted and kept countless amounts of priceless Chinese treasures. So, off course it is very funny to see some random Chinese scrapper scrap British WW2 wrecks. Hahaha!

Yeah the HMS Repulse was on the same side as China, fighting the Japanese. But that ship wasn't sent to help defend China. It was sent to defend British Malaya. Let me remind you about those thousands of Chinese labourers who dug up trenches for the British soldiers in WW1. Without them, many more British soldiers would have fallen to machine gun fire and artillery. Britain promised China Qingdao in return for it's contribution to the war. Instead, Qingdao was given to Japan after the Brits won WW1. Those ungrateful c**ts!

Don't talk about the world wars with the Asians, we all know that the British were no heroes in the WW2 Pacific theater. How fast the white British ran when the Japanese came. Leaving the non-white subjects of the Empire to their fate. We all remember how the British allied with the communist insurgents in Malaya to fight the Japanese, only to turn on them after the war was won. The Chinese fought 70% of the Imperial Japanese Army. The Soviets destroyed 70% of the Nazi war machine. The Allied victory on the Western European Theater and the Pacific Theater would not have been possible without the costly sacrifices of the Soviet Union and China.

It doesn't say anything about Paul Allen dredging up wrecks for scrap, he was just exploring them and bringing up the occasional relic as a memorial (eg HMS Hood's bell) with approval of the relevant navy.
Double standards. I get it. Paul Allen is American, white, and rich. Therefore he gets a pass to dig up a Royal Navy wreck. But some average Chinese scrapper is not allowed to dig up any wreckage he finds. Not even in waters that were historically Chinese. Don't talk about who really owns the SCS. The Brits can dig up mummies in Egypt when it was conquered by the Empire. The Brits can loot Yuanmingyuan when it's troops reached Beijing. The rules based order can work both ways. Britain still wanna play Empire today. So Britain deserves to be f-ed over when the opportunity comes.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

Senior Member
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Registered Member
Personally don't hold the people or government of the PRC responsible for the actions of these pirates. But you can bet that plenty of people on Twitter do. PRC should arrest and punish these scrappers:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

No, is double standard thinking. Those scrappers should be awarded. F**k the UK! The British looted the Forbidden City and Yuanmingyuan. Burned the latter to the ground. Those British soldiers who did those things were awarded medals. The British pushed Opium into China. Till today, the British refused to return stolen treasures looted from Beijing. Till today the British are still meddling in HK and Tibet.

China should attempt to scrap the wreckage of any Royal Navy Ships in he SCS. Including the most famous one: HMS Prince of Wales. China shouldn't care what the British think. To hell with them. They are a poodle of the US today. Not worth the respect they are demanding. They don't care when they drugged China. They don't care when they dragged China through the mud. The Brits must realize that their time of reckoning is arriving. The Chinese government may be forgiving to the Brits. But the Chinese people will never forgive. So don't blame the PRC or some random Chinese scrapper. Blame the continuation of British imperialism to this very day!
This is definitely going to be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree with the majority. Digging up Queen Victoria's (the queen of the British Empire during the first and second Opium Wars along with the Boxer Rebellion) coffin and pissing on her skeleton is one thing, but digging up the ruins and corpses of soldiers who just follow orders is another. The latter is as dehumanizing as Western commentators calling Russian soldiers "sunflower fertilizer" and jeering at their grieving families. Soldiers are soldiers. They execute orders and go home. They are not the decision makers, and the dead can't fight back. As for the burning down of the palaces, every civilization pulled this stunt. We can go down a rabbit hole on the horrible acts of every single country if you want, and that includes the previous dynasties of China.
 

dxq4412

Junior Member
Registered Member
Don't trouble yourself with him. He's a cuck of the highest order.

After the whole HK debacle, I'm sure CPC will give Taiwan the Xinjiang treatment once reunification is achieved. The same mistake won't be made twice.
You say I’m a cuck, which is already very insulting.
I don’t recall ever insulting you in a similar way. Are you referring to my opposition to your ridiculous views on Russia?
I am just stating the very obvious fact that it is best to view Russia as a chess piece that must be sacrificed if and when necessary for China's benefit. No hard feelings, if the positions were switched Russia would do the same (as they have many times in the past).
In your imagination, China should become another America, become the next hegemonic bastard, so that you can feel like a man and have balls, right?
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
This is definitely going to be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree with the majority. Digging up Queen Victoria's (the queen of the British Empire during the first and second Opium Wars along with the Boxer Rebellion) coffin and pissing on her skeleton is one thing, but digging up the ruins and corpses of soldiers who just follow orders is another. The latter is as dehumanizing as Western commentators calling Russian soldiers "sunflower fertilizer" and jeering at their grieving families. Soldiers are soldiers. They execute orders and go home. They are not the decision makers, and the dead can't fight back. As for the burning down of the palaces, every civilization pulled this stunt. We can go down a rabbit hole on the horrible acts of every single country if you want, and that includes the previous dynasties of China.

1) This event seems more like archeology. There is nothing wrong with archeology. The war is over. In fact, several other wars have happened since then, some of them illegal ones, like how Poodle Blair supported the dumb Dubya in his break and enter of Saddam's place. Some good looting there, like real good! World War Two? Ancient history.

2) It is what the lawyers say, possession is 9 10ths of the law. Those ships were sank, and abandoned. They did not want it. Finders keepers. They only complaining about this salvaging archeological effort for propaganda purposes.

3) When the English or Americans start talking about morality, in general, but more precisely about the actions of others, ie non-whites, like Putin, I find there are two reactions. The first reaction is that people might get angry. The second reaction is to burst out laughing.

4) Who cares.

5) The English don't care about this. If they did, they probably would have made an effort to salvage those ships, instead of invading Iraq, Afghanistan, or meddling in Ukraine. Another day, another propaganda story.

:D
 

Sardaukar20

Captain
Registered Member
This is definitely going to be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree with the majority. Digging up Queen Victoria's (the queen of the British Empire during the first and second Opium Wars along with the Boxer Rebellion) coffin and pissing on her skeleton is one thing, but digging up the ruins and corpses of soldiers who just follow orders is another. The latter is as dehumanizing as Western commentators calling Russian soldiers "sunflower fertilizer" and jeering at their grieving families. Soldiers are soldiers. They execute orders and go home. They are not the decision makers, and the dead can't fight back. As for the burning down of the palaces, every civilization pulled this stunt. We can go down a rabbit hole on the horrible acts of every single country if you want, and that includes the previous dynasties of China.
Sorry. I just cannot agree with this. The British did not show the same respect to enemy combatants. They don't show the same respect to enemy soldiers whom they considered as racially inferior.

When the British soldiers killed Qing soldiers and Boxers. They put dead enemy heads on spikes. They collected scalps. British commandos posed over the corpses of dead communist guerillas in Malaya, as if they were in a safari. Were they under orders to do so? Or was it just for fun? Or was it both? Do they really deserve the same respect when they are dead?

The British, and the West in general will have no second thoughts about desecrating the dignity and the remains of dead combatants that they don't like. From rebel guerillas, to Soviet soldiers. They have no regrets after insulting the sacrifice of the Soviets in WW2. Hence, they do not deserve the kindness and respect of that they are demanding of everyone to give.

Why must you defend the indefensible? Yeah Chinese dynasties burned each other. So because of that, we should all accept that the British burned Imperial Beijing down over a drug deal as ok? So must we take the Japanese murder, pillage, and rape in China as acceptable? Were those soldiers just following orders, or having fun, or both? Many of them are enshrined in Yasukuni today. Did they deserve to be enshrined just because they served the Emperor? Will you pay your respects at the Yasukuni shrine since you firmly believe in the innocence of all soldiers in any war? What the hell is wrong with you?
 
Last edited:

dxq4412

Junior Member
Registered Member
This is definitely going to be an unpopular opinion, but I disagree with the majority. Digging up Queen Victoria's (the queen of the British Empire during the first and second Opium Wars along with the Boxer Rebellion) coffin and pissing on her skeleton is one thing, but digging up the ruins and corpses of soldiers who just follow orders is another. The latter is as dehumanizing as Western commentators calling Russian soldiers "sunflower fertilizer" and jeering at their grieving families. Soldiers are soldiers. They execute orders and go home. They are not the decision makers, and the dead can't fight back. As for the burning down of the palaces, every civilization pulled this stunt. We can go down a rabbit hole on the horrible acts of every single country if you want, and that includes the previous dynasties of China.
The ship was built by China, but it is leased and operated by a Malaysian company.
And the Western media has been hyping this event for many years.
1685166179788.png
1685166207289.png
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
You know, now that I think of it, this sounds like total bullshit.

Although I did not read the article, but the basic fact is that those boats been submerged in seawater for a few decades.

Won't it rust?

Who in their right minds would want to take the expense to salvage a rusting hulk for scrape?

Total bullshit.

So I am beginning to doubt that any of this happened at all. Except for it could have been for archeology purposes.

Good thing I did not read the article.

As for this forum, I think 90% would like to believe this happen, maybe even me too!

:D
 
Top