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victoon

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baykalov said:
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I have a lot of respect for Kissinger. But his contact with China was prmarily from the 70s and 80s, when the relationsihp between China and the Soviet Union was at its low point. Besides, did the Chinese and the Americans have anything good to say about each other until the late 60s?

Of course nothing is certain. But the US and China overcame the bloody Korean war to become allies against the Soviet Union for a few decades. Now Russia and China face similar common threat from expanding NATO while having less hostility to begin with than when Kissinger bridged the gap for China and US.

Grandeur was what Macron needed because Macron is the swing vote between China and the west and Xi was supporting Macron in his domestic struggle. Interactions between Putin and Xi has always been much more intimate between idealogical allies. Imagine Macron and Xi making pancakes and eat icecreams together. Or Xi and Putin listsens to traditional Chinese music.
 
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victoon said:
I have a lot of respect for Kissinger. But his contact with China was prmarily from the 70s and 80s, when the relationsihp between China and the Soviet Union was at its low point. Besides, did the Chinese and the Americans have anything good to say about each other until the late 60s?

Of course nothing is certain. But the US and China overcame the bloody Korean war to become allies against the Soviet Union for a few decades. Now Russia and China face similar common threat from expanding NATO while having less hostility to begin with than when Kissinger bridged the gap for China and US.

Grandeur was what Macron needed because Macron is the swing vote between China and the west and Xi was supporting Macron in his domestic struggle. Interactions between Putin and Xi has always been much more intimate between idealogical allies. Imagine Macron and Xi making pancakes and eat icecreams together. Or Xi and Putin listsens to traditional Chinese music.
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Macron and others is just juggling the barbarians and playing them against each other. Don't think Putin and XI need that sort of things in their relationship. The relationship between Russia and China at the current time goes deeper and more strategic.

Just like banning Micron memory chips and probably enticing SKHynix to jump into that vacuum..
 
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victoon said:
I have a lot of respect for Kissinger. But his contact with China was prmarily from the 70s and 80s, when the relationsihp between China and the Soviet Union was at its low point. Besides, did the Chinese and the Americans have anything good to say about each other until the late 60s?

Of course nothing is certain. But the US and China overcame the bloody Korean war to become allies against the Soviet Union for a few decades. Now Russia and China face similar common threat from expanding NATO while having less hostility to begin with than when Kissinger bridged the gap for China and US.

Grandeur was what Macron needed because Macron is the swing vote between China and the west and Xi was supporting Macron in his domestic struggle. Interactions between Putin and Xi has always been much more intimate between idealogical allies. Imagine Macron and Xi making pancakes and eat icecreams together. Or Xi and Putin listsens to traditional Chinese music.
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China seeks partners against common threats.

The US seeks vassals to rule.

That is the fundamental difference between the two. China worked with the Soviet Union against the US because the US supported the other side of the Chinese Civil War. It then worked with the US against the Soviet Union because the Soviet Union wanted to dominate China ideologically - it refused to respect China's right to interpret Communism its own way.

If the US wasn't trying to dominate China today, China would be willing to cooperate. But the US can't help itself. Its "allies" must be vassals. That's why it insists on ideological conformity.

The West will never understand this, because it only has two ways of looking at the world - either you're a follower, or you're an enemy. Thus has it always been.
 
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I watched that clip on YouTube yesterday, not impressed when I was watching it, especially for an overseas Chinese peddling the Western lies about China. But banning him on Weibo seems overreacting and add to the -ve perception of China.

China really needs to up the PR game unfortunately.
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I don't think anyone in china really cares who Roger is, or if they even know about him at all.

He's still free to spout whatever he wants on the other side of the great wall. Not like he has a sizable fan base in china anyways.

It's also pretty ironic that the people who were calling him a ccp sellout a few years ago are now supporting him for standing up against the shee sheee pee.
 
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jwnz

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I don't think anyone in china really cares who Roger is, or if they even know about him at all.

He's still free to spout whatever he wants on the other side of the great wall. Not like he has a sizable fan base in china anyways.

It's also pretty ironic that the people who were calling him a ccp sellout a few years ago are now supporting him for standing up against the shee sheee pee.
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Whether he's well known or not in China, cancelling him on Weibo is just bad PR. Definitely not the way to build soft power lol. The Chinese authority needs to grow some skin.

He's now milking it on YouTube with the latest video about being cancelled and the comments are all one-sided pro Roger.
 
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emblem21

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Whether he's well known or not in China, cancelling him on Weibo is just bad PR. Definitely not the way to build soft power lol. The Chinese authority needs to grow some skin.

He's now milking it on YouTube with the latest video about being cancelled and the comments are all one-sided pro Roger.
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Oh well, given where he is currently living at right now, I wonder if comedy really is what should be focused on right now. It’s true the reaction is quite extreme but given how chaotic times are becoming right now, is this really worth caring about. The UK is on the verge of disaster, and this is what people focus on like crazy, the average person in the UK would be worried about what the next meal will be, not on someone that got banned on Weibo of all places and also, shouldn’t the people of the UK be more worried about what Russia is going to potentially do to them given all the weapons sent to Ukraine.
 
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I watched that clip on YouTube yesterday, not impressed when I was watching it, especially for an overseas Chinese peddling the Western lies about China. But banning him on Weibo seems overreacting and add to the -ve perception of China.

China really needs to up the PR game unfortunately.
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Weibo is not equivalent to the propaganda department, and content review on Weibo is not equivalent to the CCP’s emergency response valve. For mainland Chinese people, the so-called review, blocking and other measures on platforms such as Weibo, Douyin and Toutiao are more of a joint public opinion monopoly by mainland private capital and large digital technology companies. The CCP’s Cyberspace Administration (the commonly known Chinese Internet public opinion regulatory agency) has gradually become a corrupt department under this giant monopoly and a wholesale department for mediocre political achievements.
 
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