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Bellum_Romanum

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Bullshit. CATL, BYD and others made plenty of innovations in batteries, solar and wind turbines. He knows shit about Chinese innovations

He's your BANANA/HAIJIAN "UNCLE CHANG." The man manages to con people, especially in the west, by peddling feel-good stories about underestimating China, poo-pooing the Chinese political system and governance for any legitimate credit in creating modern China, and largely making it a powerhouse and an existential threat to the current American hegemony. I suspect, since this particular "Wang Dan" is a Neo-Liberal to the core and an ideologue who blinds people like him to acknowledging any success that's produced in and by a country that proudly professes "Socialism albeit with Chinese characteristics," which is also quite ironic since these types of people tend to abuse the other side (the CPC) as ideologically rigid, inflexible, not innovative, steal IP's, etc., that the actual reality on the ground in light of these anti-China policies that come from both political parties and ideologies show that the emperor frankly has no clothes.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I thought you were talking about this "Dan Wang" also an economist and used prominently or rather is prone to be shown on western media whenever there's a discussion on China's GDP/economy. There is also an infamous "Wang Dan" one of the rebels in Tianmen Square who's a Harvard graduate with a PhD in History. So many Wang Dans ayah..

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He's just a full Chinese version of Gordon Chang (well, public persona of Gordon Chang).

Noah Smith - himself a radical anti Chinese racist - even was skeptical of his theory:

"If China is so bad at emerging tech then how come it has a strong EV industry?"

Danny boy here has no real answer. He BSed around a bit but his theory could not explain this fact.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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This is the Dan Wang that I followed on Twitter for a while.

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The fact that homeless-looking bum @noaopinion and an ardent anti-China at that is quite chummy with him is already problematic, but the fact that he spews his opinion with an air of confidence but is full of misinformation, dated understanding, and pushing the narrative that China can't innovate for Jack and the Beanstalk was enough for me to dismiss this man as either a charlatan or a wumao in the vein of Gordon Chang serving deep within the enemy line. LOL
 

Bellum_Romanum

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This idiot doesn't even have a PhD.

He has a bachelors in PHILOSOPHY from some safety school. Anyone can pass as a "China Specialist" these days.


Hey man, somebody has got to cash these anti-China checks, you know. I mean, why would our fellow Chinese-American, Canadian, etc., cede to the equally fraudulent if not more "Caucasian-American" that peddle themselves as anti-China experts based on their 1 or 2 year stay in China, and most have never even stepped foot in China, speak any of the languages (Putonghua, Canton, or Guangzhou), nor can they read any Chinese texts, yet are being used, paid handsomely, to peddle comatose-inducing China analysis?

Perhaps, to them, if someone has to shit on China and talk bad about the country all the time, it might as well be them - fellow Chinese ethnic stocks - at least they can make money and prove their loyalty to the American flag at the same time. Now, that's what you call a WIN WIN.
 

supercat

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Not really 'breaking' news but I tended to follow Dan Wang a bit on Twitter. What do you lads think about his answers? A lengthy article.


Interview: Dan Wang​

We talk about China's economy, decoupling, export controls, industrial policy, state control, and lots more.​

Question 1

So my first question is: What are two or three things that Americans need to know about Chinese industrial policy and technological competitiveness in 2023?


D.W.: The first is that there have been a lot of failures. China is achingly aware of its deficiencies in two strategic sectors in particular: semiconductors and aviation. So it has showered these sectors with bountiful money and stern policy attention. Where has that gotten them? Not far. On chips, China has built the basics of the industry, but is at best 10 years behind the leading edge of manufacturing logic chips, and even more on the tools needed to produce chips: lithography equipment and EDA software. On aviation, China’s answer to Airbus and Boeing has been years behind schedule, and is anyway substantially dependent on western engines and avionics systems.

The second is that there have been a lot of successes. I would say that China has caught up with the west on nearly all manufactured products outside of chips and aviation. It is making sophisticated electronics components. It is making boring industrial equipment that rarely grace headlines. And it is making most of the technologies we need for decarbonization. The folks at Bloomberg New Energy Finance estimate that China owns 90% of the solar supply chain: everything from polysilicon production to the tools needed to make photovoltaics to the panels themselves. It’s also doing very well in batteries and has a shot at dominating the hydrogen supply chain as well.

A central question I’m working on now is to figure out whether China’s technological capabilities in the future will more closely resemble its failures or successes. There are enormous macro headwinds for China’s economy: lousy demographics, a domineering central government, and greater political emphasis on state-led growth. But I tend to think that China will be able to solve its technological deficiencies. Its main task is to reinvent existing technologies: arguably firms like TSMC and ASML have the harder task, that is to push forward the technological frontier. On chips in particular, there’s a broad sense that it costs too much to keep pushing forward Moore’s Law. So if the leaders hit a wall, it’s only a matter of time for Chinese firms to catch up. These products are technology, not magic. And Chinese firms have already mastered a lot.

Question 2

N.S.: What's different about semiconductors and advanced aviation? Why has China not been as successful in catching up in those sectors?

D.W.: I think there has been a consistent pattern of Chinese successes and failures. Any technology that demands the complex integration of different scientific areas is challenging for Chinese firms. Semiconductors bring together electrical engineering, chemistry, computer science, and more; aviation is the integration of aerodynamics, materials science, mechanical engineering, etc. China's scientific capabilities have steadily risen, but I would say it's still fairly weak. No surprise, perhaps, that Chinese firms weren't able to produce mRNA vaccines, since its scientific establishment is unused to puttering around the fringes of new fields.

On the other hand, for any technology where the science is mature, and the complexity lies more with the manufacturing process, China tends to be strong. Take renewable technologies like solar photovoltaics or EV batteries. The science of turning light into electricity and power storage are pretty well understood. But Chinese firms have been able to outbuild their foreign competition (with plenty help from government support) in creating high-performing products. Putting together a battery, for example, involves around ten steps—from cell filling to final sealing—that demand perfect handoff at each stage. Chinese firms are really good at this, which they learned from the highly-demanding electronics supply chain.

And here the US tends to be weak. American manufacturers aren't good at making products of high intricacy at high volume. And it sometimes trips over simple products too. It’s puzzling to me that American factories weren't able to quickly retool to turn out masks and other personal protective equipment in the early days of 2020. There's something quite strange about the US where it is able to make super-advanced products like AI, jet engines, semiconductor production equipment, but can't build basic infrastructure or simple products.

Question 3 N.S.: Gotcha. That's a good dichotomy. Do you think that means we can expect to see China struggle in emerging technological fields like AI and quantum computing where the science isn't mature yet? Also, probably the most famous example of Chinese technological dominance is Huawei winning the 5G race. Does that fit the general pattern you described?

D.W.: Huawei has indeed been a significant Chinese technological success, embodying a lot of the successes and problems with China's approach. On the one hand, it has faced a lot of lawsuits over intellectual property theft. And it has benefited from some degrees of state support, including overseas purchases of its equipment made possible by Chinese policy banks. But it's also emblematic of the grit among Chinese manufacturers. They tend to start out making products that western companies are willing to concede to them because shareholders sniff at their low margins. And they go into developing countries that western companies don't like to be too entangled with, because of business complexity and corruption issues. Like many Chinese companies, Huawei started by making cheap products for price-sensitive customers, gradually making more sophisticated technologies.

I confess I'm puzzled by China and AI. There has been a lot of data compiled that China has many leading researchers who claim great quantities of studies and patents. It's also obvious that the central government has thought about AI, given the number of study sessions the Politburo has dedicated to it. Now where are the results? Chinese firms may be leading in facial recognition. But they are not releasing any of the text generation and image generation tools that have been so thrilling to the public. It still doesn't look like they are publishing much of anything for consumer use. So it could be that their focus is on fairly secretive projects for the government. But I wonder if that is going to be a formula for success if they're not really learning from the market.

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Who is Dan Wang? Does he have any idea that the time has changed?

China overtakes United States on contribution to research in Nature Index​

Data on affiliations suggest that authors from China made the largest contribution to high-quality natural-science research in 2022.

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LMAO - the copium from the New York Times is mind-boggling:
 

FriedButter

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I bet they are mentioning this because Republicans, like most other congress members, own a lot of stocks.

The GOP was touting the whole cuts in spending and deficit problem a couple weeks ago. Ya, turns out that was bull shit as usual. They want to cut funding or expansions for domestic programs to divert more funding towards the over bloated military. Obviously, the warmongers have China in their sights.

Debt ceiling negotiations deteriorated after Republican negotiators rejected a White House offer to limit spending on both defense and a series of domestic programs, two people familiar with negotiations said on Saturday.

Republicans instead pushed for increased military spending, which would require deeper cuts to a series of domestic spending programs that the White House has deemed off limits.
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