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FriedButter

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China hoped that if they opened up they could stop the trade war. But of course what happened next was beyond expectation. West got so afraid of China and so hell bent about stopping China's rise that they decided they no longer wanted access to the chinese market. In fact they wanted to get out of China, they wanted decoupling.

Lol where? Talking about short term memory when you can’t remember export data from China to the west a couple weeks ago.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Lol where? Talking about short term memory when you can’t remember export data from China to the west a couple weeks ago.
China is certainly exporting alot more. But making China export less was never the goal of the Trade war. The Trade war's original goal of forcefully opening China's market was successful.
 

FriedButter

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China is certainly exporting alot more. But making China export less was never the goal of the Trade war. The Trade war's original goal of forcefully opening China's market was successful.

Read your own words.

that they decided they no longer wanted access to the chinese market. In fact they wanted to get out of China, they wanted decoupling.

Tell me where the decoupling is. The West hasn’t stopped buying.
 

Sleepyjam

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This is a interesting battle to see. China has always been docile obedient when it comes to US attacks. It has always chosen profit and practicality over dignity.

Practicality will say that it makes no sense to have tik tok banned which means Tik tok loses the US market and probably other western markets too. That will make Bytedance lose all value they have over tik tok in those markets.

But dignity is also stake, Chinese dignity should be triggered that West will force them to sell a global successful social media platform that showed that even non-western non democratic country can be cool, hip and popular and extremely innovative.
Chinese national pride should be hurt if they capitulate and sell instead of getting banned, becoming a martyr and showing the true face of the west to the world.

I really hope China will stop any kind sale of tik tok. But I am afraid China has shown again again that its willing to surrender, when it bent over backward to do a humiliating trade deal with US under Trump, also recent resumption of trade with Australia when it has made no concession and has started to do open war mongering and even have taken steps to acquire nuclear subs, which probably will lead to nuclear weapons too in the future.

China has simply been too weak and too timid against western attacks. Its good that they are pragmatic. But sometimes when the injustice is so great, you need to take a stand just for the morale of the country, even if it is costly.

I hope they make the right choice.
You need to have your brain checked. The sale of Tik Tok algorithm is banned. Trump lost the trade war and now the trade deficit with China is near record high. So humiliating lol.
Australia trade never stopped in the first place. Chinese exports to Australia was over 60 billion in 2020 and over 80 billion in 2022. China imports from Australia which consists mostly of iron ores has never stopped.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Read your own words.



Tell me where the decoupling is.
All this talk about Friendshoring, moving away from China, China+1 is what decoupling means these days. Ofcourse you could say West is failing to decouple. But they are certainly pursuing it.
You need to have your brain checked. The sale of Tik Tok algorithm is banned. Trump lost the trade war and now the trade deficit with China is near record high. So humiliating lol.
Australia trade never stopped in the first place. Chinese exports to Australia was over 60 billion in 2020 and over 80 billion in 2022. China imports from Australia which consists mostly of iron ores has never stopped.
China stopped importing many Aussy products like Wine, Fish, Meat and Australian Coal. Now they have started buying it all without getting any concession from that 14 point list that they provided to Australia. They have not gotten a single point from that list. Instead, Australia is buying nuke subs and openly talking about fighting China in a Taiwan war.

China lost against Australia and decided to simply give up.
 

Serb

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Who cares about tiktok, China has declared war against USA, American eCONomy about to get rug pulled soon


That's it. China doesn't care about those small, unimportant, Mickey Mouse, types of sanctions.

It's like throwing fetters at them, only serving the purpose of making stupid Anglos feel good in a moment.

But when China gives its own set of sanctions, it won't be good, it won't be any games, TikTok, and whatnot.

It will be 500% per month hyperinflation and empty Walmarts in the Murica when the Taiwan war starts.
 

Serb

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American social situation is around 1000 worse than the one in China, politically, economically, ideologically, racially, ethnically, etc...

China would survive that instant decoupling way easier, when the Taiwan war starts, and the US will collapse and disintegrate, not China.

China is the most united country in the history of the world, it can survive hardships and its citizens won't start killing each over the economy.

80% of the American economy (GDP) is consumption, services, or better said reselling Chinese-made goods in their Walmarts, and other stores.
 

Sleepyjam

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All this talk about Friendshoring, moving away from China, China+1 is what decoupling means these days. Ofcourse you could say West is failing to decouple. But they are certainly pursuing it.

China stopped importing many Aussy products like Wine, Fish, Meat and Australian Coal. Now they have started buying it all without getting any concession from that 14 point list that they provided to Australia. They have not gotten a single point from that list. Instead, Australia is buying nuke subs and openly talking about fighting China in a Taiwan war.

China lost against Australia and decided to simply give up.
Or you could say their whole is pursuit is and will be a failure. That the west bending backwards and too weak to make the tough decisions.

As for the list
The list of grievances also includes: government funding for "anti-China" research at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, raids on Chinese journalists and academic visa cancellations, "spearheading a crusade" in multilateral forums on China's affairs in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Xinjiang, calling for an independent investigation into the origins of COVID-19, banning Huawei from the 5G network in 2018 and blocking 10 Chinese foreign investment deals across infrastructure, agriculture and animal husbandry sectors.
Australia is definitely fullfilling some of the items on the list.
 
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