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Biscuits

Major
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There are multiple possibilities.
  1. US is just lying
  2. Russia deliberately leaked the news so that it looks like China is fully siding with it, to increase its leverage
  3. Russia is just CIA infested

Usually I would say its the 1, but in the past year, US media has multiple times revealed inside Russian info which probably means that the 3 is more possible. Everytime there was a leak it was never from China's side, it was always coming from "unnamed Russian sources close to the handling of x matter"
Wdym by "inside Russian info" though.

-Invading Ukraine. This is something US could have straight up guessed based on the situation in the Donbass. Iran could make a prediction that US will invade China and it would have reasonable accuracy. That doesn't mean Iran has inside American info, only that Iran is capable of seeing where the wind is blowing.

-Lethal aid from China. Again, something that can be randomly guessed, given that China is already sharing anything short of actual whole weapons platforms, its not a big stretch to believe China would take the additional step. And China would not be secretive about it either, just like with the rest of its aid. So far, even this guess doesn't really pan out.

Besides that, they've also guessed a lot of random shit that didn't pan out, such as Russia running out of ammo, Putin being deposed, generals dying for supposedly failing only to magically return to life and recieve honors etc. almost as if they're just throwing out guesses based on the situation. When you've spent the entire year throwing darts randomly at the dartboard, you're bound to score at least a few hits right?

Russia probably has a bit of CIA in it just like the vice versa is true for US and the FSB, but on these topics specifically, no insider knowledge is needed to make a guess. In fact, multiple forumites here have made guesses of different forms of aid to Russia even earlier than Biden spoke up.
 

BlackWindMnt

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They could always consult a 老外 "expat" for that intel, if it wasn't for the fact the majority never bother to learn Chinese during their stay.
That's just something I never really understand if you're staying China why not learn the language.

Especially if your a spy or doing intelligence gathering about the Chinese macdonalds menu, knowing the language means you can reach even more people.
 

emblem21

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The Russians are to blame for this. For decades they put the West, and India ahead of China in their favoured nation order. The West was given bigger priority for businesses, while India was given bigger priority for arms deals. Russia gives India better arms deals than China. They could even lease to India, nuclear submarines. In the 00s they sold the best Flanker variants at the time to India. But China got slammed for copying the Flankers.

Prior to 2014. Russia acted like it was still the old Russian Empire. Cozying up to the West, while playing with the Chinese and the Indians. When the Ukraine War finally happened, so many so called 'friends' turned on Russia. Russia had to finally wake up that it is not the Russian Empire. No more Peter the Great renaissance.

Now when Russia is in a dark place. China truly stood up for Russia. India talked alot, but in the latest G20, India folded to Western pressure, agreeing to condemn Russia in a joint communique. Lavrov told the truth to everyone. That Russia is indeed under attack. To the Russians, this is an existential crisis. And the Indian audience in the crowd joined their Western counterparts to laugh at Lavrov. This is the true face of Indian 'trustworthiness'. Russia needs to it learn the hard way. Because that is the best way for it to sink in.


That'll be much easier to do now, since it's the Russian military who will be the biggest buyer of Russian arms. Russia should remind India that Russia always comes first. India have never been trustworthy, and they should be taught a lesson.

So you guys laughed at Lavrov at the G20? Ok you can wait back in the line for those Flanker parts. Hey you need more Russian ammunition? We're gonna need them 1st. Mother Russia is under attack, but you guys didn't believe it? Better believe it now!
Pity that the west laughs at him now but wait for half a year when there economies go down the toilet, I wonder if they will laugh quite as happily then. If Russia can learn then, that is the time to twist the knife into the west. Also Russia needs to remind India that well, just those few Indians laughing at Russia there, ought to have consequences. Really, India having to be twisted into supporting the west at the G20 like this, ought to have India at least shown by Russia that well, they need to show some back bone, because I did hear that Modi for all his support base, is getting push back for being a pussy. Even Indians in India are not to happy about being pushed around.
to be honest, one day in the future when the USA has truly fallen, Russia and China ought to put barriers in regards to trade against the west until all anti Russian leaders are thrown out of office, their needs to be some serious consequences here.
Still Russia really ought to know that Indians are not really all that good of an ally to have and their combat ability sucks beyond comprehension, I mean China at its more unprepared beat the shit out of then at the border and threw them down the mountain. Although I guess that is why the Russians are coordinating their efforts with China more closer nowadays compared to India because well India doesn’t really have the brains or skill to really do anything given their rather long string of failures. Does anyone find if funny that the more aligned a nation is to the USA, the more painful the consequences of the failure is, I mean take a look at Germany and UK, only so far away from being a failed state due to supply chains wrecked by people like Boris Johnson and Baerbock, both individuals that should be executed to be Frank about it for the sheer scale in regards to those failures
 
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pmc

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While I am sure Russia is infested with western agents since they lack the capabilities to deal with it. Especially on the technological side. However, why do you trust the western media on everything when it come to Russia?

Putin was suppose to die from serious illness. Russia was going to run out of missiles by last summer. Lavrov was going to be sacked for failing. Trump was a supposed Russian agent. A “Russian missile” was fired into Poland.
despite such scale of sanctions and operations. debt to GDP hardly moved. and this economic side which West supposed to excel in it.
so i doubt Russia lacks the means about what West is thinking.

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