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Eventine

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Biscuits said:
America was plotting behind the scenes even during ww2.

Initially, US companies and regime greatly supported nazi Germany. German nazis openly praised and used US as a reference for their own politics. However, as it became clear to America that the nazis were not militarily nor economically sustainable, the genocide of nazis against what Americans view as whites, increased aggression from Germany's ally Japan, America did a full 180 and started supporting the Allies.

Yet, as soon as the war was over, they already planned how to defraud the rest of the allies and replace the defeated attempt to create a nazi world order with their own nationalist American order.

America did this by pardoning nazist war criminals in order to buy out loyalty amount the defeated nazis, integrating their structures into its own. In these plans, they also began to revive nazist claims in order to bring about their vision for a world order, such as Japan's claims against China as well as Germany's plan to create ethnonationalist states in East Europe under the thumb of the Reich.

US was no true ally to neither China nor the Soviet Union in ww2. US soldiers that fought alongside the rest of the allies should be honored for their contribution, but many among their own leaders were only in it not to defeat fascism, but to replace the German-Japanese order with an American order that embraces the same values of white supremacy, genocide and evil.
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It’s what I’ve always said: you can’t expect a bunch of white supremacists and colonial murderers of natives to do an about turn in 1-2 generations. That violent, Indo-European, colonialist culture is always just below the surface.

The people who ethnically cleansed an entire continent are still there in the mainstream of America. It’s why despite what the US tells itself, it has been at war its entire history, and 90% of that being the aggressor. If you look carefully you can even identify the people responsible exactly, as it’s not the African or Asian or Native Americans who want to dominate the world. If ethnic minorities were in charge of the US it’d be a very different country.
 
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Sardaukar20

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Biscuits said:
America was plotting behind the scenes even during ww2.

Initially, US companies and regime greatly supported nazi Germany. German nazis openly praised and used US as a reference for their own politics. However, as it became clear to America that the nazis were not militarily nor economically sustainable, the genocide of nazis against what Americans view as whites, increased aggression from Germany's ally Japan, America did a full 180 and started supporting the Allies.

Yet, as soon as the war was over, they already planned how to defraud the rest of the allies and replace the defeated attempt to create a nazi world order with their own nationalist American order.

America did this by pardoning nazist war criminals in order to buy out loyalty amount the defeated nazis, integrating their structures into its own. In these plans, they also began to revive nazist claims in order to bring about their vision for a world order, such as Japan's claims against China as well as Germany's plan to create ethnonationalist states in East Europe under the thumb of the Reich.

US was no true ally to neither China nor the Soviet Union in ww2. US soldiers that fought alongside the rest of the allies should be honored for their contribution, but many among their own leaders were only in it not to defeat fascism, but to replace the German-Japanese order with an American order that embraces the same values of white supremacy, genocide and evil.
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Well said. I would say that the US after WW2 had essentially 'domesticated' the fascists. Prior to WW2, the fascists were beasts that the British Empire and USA had to tame, because it was starting to hurt them. But after WW2, instead of killing off these beasts of fascism, the US kept them alive in order to domesticate them for it's own use.

From the Nazis, the US get advanced technologies. But just as important, the Americans got their hands on a potent Russophobia machine for use against the Soviet Union and Russia for both propaganda, and black ops.

From the Imperial Japanese, the US gets medical knowledge from Unit 731. It also got it's hands on a Sinophobia machine for use to undermine the PRC, and spread hatred for the Chinese in Asia.

Later on, as these fascists start to modernize into neo-facism. They become useful beasts for the US to unleash on both Russia and China. The US assumes that this time, these beasts are more loyal to their master than their older selves.

The US is not a true good guy in WW2. If it was, we wouldn't be seeing the Azov Battalion, and Nippon Kaigi today.

I feel that one day, the neo-fascists, just like the Jihadists will eventually turn on the US. Monsters always have a way of turning on their masters.
 
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Lethe

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Eventine said:
It’s what I’ve always said: you can’t expect a bunch of white supremacists and colonial murderers of natives to do an about turn in 1-2 generations. That violent, Indo-European, colonialist culture is always just below the surface.

The people who ethnically cleansed an entire continent are still there in the mainstream of America. It’s why despite what the US tells itself, it has been at war its entire history, and 90% of that being the aggressor. If you look carefully you can even identify the people responsible exactly, as it’s not the African or Asian or Native Americans who want to dominate the world. If ethnic minorities were in charge of the US it’d be a very different country.
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I don't disagree with this, but it is imprecise and incomplete. Rather than making some pseudo-racialist claim, we should seriously examine the cultures and histories of peoples for what they what they portend for the future and present. That is not to say we should shy away from dramatic conclusions. In looking at the United States*, I think the picture that emerges could scarcely be more alarming. This is a nation that is positively addicted to righteous violence, and is for that reason profoundly dangerous. These are people who will set the world aflame rather than compromise their belief in American supremacy, righteousness and benevolence.

The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. -- D.H. Lawrence.

* From its religious prehistory to founding mythology, indigenous genocide, Mexican-American war and manifest destinty, civil war, late 19th century imperial ambitions, Wilson, conduct in the lead-up to WW2 and the lessons it has drawn from that conflict. The "ends justifies the means" anti-communist zealotry of the Cold War with its various wars, coups, massacres. The triumphalist End of History/PNAC/"Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." Internal structural violence (police towards the citizenry, the grotesque carcereal state), the casual glorification of violence in film, TV, video games. The fondness for Manichean depictions of good and evil in comic book films. The worship of guns, abnormal homicide rate, and the discourse around this.
 
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Overbom

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Sooner or later people's in vassal countries like Japan would begin to wake up and ask questions about their country's sovereignty or if they to remain a willing and unwilling lapdog for America.



https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630808611437043714

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Japan isn't a vassal. Japan is an imperial territory.

Whereas vassals might play some games and could be instigated to rebel, imperial territory is more or less the US itself. Asking Japan to rebel against the US is like asking the US to rebel against itself, its impossible
 
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luminary

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Lethe said:
I don't disagree with this, but it is imprecise and incomplete. Rather than making some pseudo-racialist claim, we should seriously examine the cultures and histories of peoples for what they what they portend for the future and present. That is not to say we should shy away from dramatic conclusions. In looking at the United States*, I think the picture that emerges could scarcely be more alarming. This is a nation that is positively addicted to righteous violence, and is for that reason profoundly dangerous. These are people who will set the world aflame rather than compromise their belief in American supremacy, righteousness and benevolence.

The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. -- D.H. Lawrence.

* From its religious prehistory to founding mythology, indigenous genocide, Mexican-American war and manifest destinty, civil war, late 19th century imperial ambitions, Wilson, conduct in the lead-up to WW2 and the lessons it has drawn from that conflict. The "ends justifies the means" anti-communist zealotry of the Cold War with its various wars, coups, massacres. The triumphalist End of History/PNAC/"Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." Internal structural violence (police towards the citizenry, the grotesque carcereal state), the casual glorification of violence in film, TV, video games. The fondness for Manichean depictions of good and evil in comic book films. The worship of guns, abnormal homicide rate, and the discourse around this.
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"The War on Cancer"
"The War on Terror"
"The War on Drugs"

It is the bedrock of their public consciousness. The US uses the word "war" for everything. You can't motivate the masses without a good crusade. Although these days, instead of "righteous Christian values", you have "righteous liberal values".

*The USA lost all these wars too. Respect the consistency.


We are teetering on the edge of The War On Chinese:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631410537723486210
 
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Biscuits

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Overbom said:
Japan isn't a vassal. Japan is an imperial territory.

Whereas vassals might play some games and could be instigated to rebel, imperial territory is more or less the US itself. Asking Japan to rebel against the US is like asking the US to rebel against itself, its impossible
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however, their effectiveness can still be greatly reduced by influencing them from within.

They might be American territory, but they're not core territory and they have a different culture and ethnic makeup than US mainland. That makes them somewhat similar to what Georgia or Ukraine was to the Soviet Union.

When it really is time to go all out and fight, such territories of tenuous loyalty can be swayed into neutrality or even open rebellion, even if they can realistically never be swayed during peacetime because the controlling administration is too strong.
 
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