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I see it as likely. Europe. Canada, Australia and Japan seem wanting to have a go with China.
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The White House said it has not yet seen China supply Russia with weapons for the war in Ukraine.

“We haven’t seen the Chinese make a decision to move in that direction,” National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said when asked about any potential weapons transfers.

“Ultimately it’s their choice to make,” Kirby added, declining to elaborate on potential U.S. retaliatory actions.
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Could this not be Blinken tried to drum up support for sanction from allies, got turned down and therefore backtracking?

As we know with the US, if you're weak and they want to fuck with you then even washing powder can be weapons of mass destruction. On the other hand if you're strong then even if you wave a booklet at the UN titled "how to build nukes for dummies" written in Chinese the Americans will tell you to sit down because Chinese is an UN working language and that book could've come from anyone.
 
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Could this not be Blinken tried to drum up support for sanction from allies, got turned down and therefore backtracking?

As we know with the US, if you're weak and they want to fuck with you then even washing powder can be weapons of mass destruction. On the other hand if you're strong then even if you wave a booklet at the UN titled "how to build nukes for dummies" written in Chinese they will it's expected since Chinese is an UN working language and that book could come from anyone.
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it's possible, with inflation the way it is i doubt many would want to worsen the situation any further by suddenly removing China from its list of suppliers.

but also it is just so inconceivable for China to provide lethal aid at this point. China is clearly trying to play the role of the mediator, and judging by the reception its 12 point plan got, it is not a bad position to be in. why would China give that up by supplying lethal aid to Russia, thus effectively taking a side? besides, there is nothing that China would be willing to provide Russia that could really change the situation on the ground. I imagine China at most would give Russia some ammunition, which they can either build themselves or buy from Iran and North Korea. sensors and EW equipment are nice but it would take time for Russians to get training on those.

the best way China can support Russia is by doing what it is doing, keep up the trade.
 
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Tank Biathlon has always been Competition 3rd, Friendship 2nd, Russia 1st. The purpose of biathlon is to sell weapon, land systems specifically.
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In fact, Russia does China a big favor by selling their systems across the world. It prevents many of these countries from dealing with the US while keeping the Amerifats off China’s back. Leadership recognizes this, too, otherwise do you really think Russia would have such big market share in certain areas like tanks?
 
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drowingfish said:
it's possible, with inflation the way it is i doubt many would want to worsen the situation any further by suddenly removing China from its list of suppliers.

but also it is just so inconceivable for China to provide lethal aid at this point. China is clearly trying to play the role of the mediator, and judging by the reception its 12 point plan got, it is not a bad position to be in. why would China give that up by supplying lethal aid to Russia, thus effectively taking a side? besides, there is nothing that China would be willing to provide Russia that could really change the situation on the ground. I imagine China at most would give Russia some ammunition, which they can either build themselves or buy from Iran and North Korea. sensors and EW equipment are nice but it would take time for Russians to get training on those.

the best way China can support Russia is by doing what it is doing, keep up the trade.
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We know for sure China is giving what US calls "non-lethal aid" to Russia via trade. We know for a fact that Russia is getting small stuff like bullet proof plates, MREs, gun sights, radios etc. Probably more critical stuff like chips and small engines too. All of them more or less contribute to Russian war effort.

While we can here discuss things like does this thing count as lethal or non-lethal aid, and if a UCAV is lethal aid what about its demilitarised version, or if it's parted out does that still count as lethal aid. However that's not how it works between countries, there's no court or lawyers between countries to determine this. Instead if you got the hard power to back up your words you can just accuse the other guy of something with the flimsiest evidence and the other guy can't do anything about it, as we've already seen with Iraq.

So does the US at this time want to rally up their allies to enact sanction on China? Probably. The lethal aid thing is just an excuse. The fact that they are now saying there's no evidence is not actually relevant because lethal aid was an excuse to start with, rather the no evidence I think shows the hard power to enact this global sanction is not there.
 
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Temstar said:
We know for sure China is giving what US calls "non-lethal aid" to Russia via trade. We know for a fact that Russia is getting small stuff like bullet proof plates, MREs, gun sights, radios etc. Probably more critical stuff like chips and small engines too. All of them more or less contribute to Russian war effort.

While we can here discuss things like does this thing count as lethal or non-lethal aid, and if a UCAV is lethal aid what about its demilitarised version, or if it's parted out does that still count as lethal aid. However that's not how it works between countries, there's no court or lawyers between countries to determine this. Instead if you got the hard power to back up your words you can just accuse the other guy of something with the flimsiest evidence and the other guy can't do anything about it, as we've already seen with Iraq.

So does the US at this time want to rally up their allies to enact sanction on China? Probably. The lethal aid thing is just an excuse. The fact that they are now saying there's no evidence is not actually relevant because lethal aid was an excuse to start with, rather the no evidence I think shows the hard power to enact this global sanction is not there.
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for europe, who's goal is to simply isolate russia and make this war go away as quickly as possible, it makes no sense to sanction China now and force it over to team Russia. Imagine China getting sanctioned for lethal aid now and decided to actually do it lol, would definitely be an own goal for the west there.
 
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drowingfish said:
for europe, who's goal is to simply isolate russia and make this war go away as quickly as possible, it makes no sense to sanction China now and force it over to team Russia. Imagine China getting sanctioned for lethal aid now and decided to actually do it lol, would definitely be an own goal for the west there.
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The issue is Europe has bet their entire hand on the Americans. They may see no choice but to double down even if it means suicide
 
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Chinese donors who funded Trudeau Foundation wanted statue of Mao in Montreal​

The politically connected Chinese donors who pledged $1-million to the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation and the University of Montreal did not only want to build a statue of the former prime minister.

They also sought to erect a statue at the university’s law school of chairman Mao Zedong, the Chinese leader who brought his country under Communist control and, in his decades as the Great Helmsman, oversaw policies that led to huge numbers of deaths from famine and violence.

“They suggested one of Trudeau and Mao together,” Geneviève O’Meara, a spokesperson for the University of Montreal, confirmed to The Globe and Mail.
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Trudeau Foundation returning $200K to Beijing-linked donor​


Pretty sure repudiating Trudeau Sr's relationship with China is the exact opposite of 创造条件. Besides ignoring Canada, does China have anymore cards to play?
 
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Chinese donors who funded Trudeau Foundation wanted statue of Mao in Montreal​


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Trudeau Foundation returning $200K to Beijing-linked donor​


Pretty sure repudiating Trudeau Sr's relationship with China is the exact opposite of 创造条件. Besides ignoring Canada, does China have anymore cards to play?
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Honestly such a suggestion seems borderline subversive against the legacy of Mao. Placing a statue of him next to one of a direct supporter of American aggression, in a country where there are no just laws, is an insult against what the late Chairman stood for.

If Mao was alive, he would not have wanted that statue placed. Hell, when he was alive, he did not even want to place statue of himself in China. Almost if not all Mao memorials/statues were built decades after he passed.

Should someone truly care about the cause of Maoism, they would have donated the money directly to an organization that helps the working class, or an organization that helps the oppressed peoples around the world. Get something for the Palestinians, buy a few DJI drones for the LDPR.
 
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Biscuits said:
Honestly such a suggestion seems borderline subversive against the legacy of Mao. Placing a statue of him next to one of a direct supporter of American aggression, in a country where there are no just laws, is an insult against what the late Chairman stood for.

If Mao was alive, he would not have wanted that statue placed. Hell, when he was alive, he did not even want to place statue of himself in China. Almost if not all Mao memorials/statues were built decades after he passed.

Should someone truly care about the cause of Maoism, they would have donated the money directly to an organization that helps the working class, or an organization that helps the oppressed peoples around the world. Get something for the Palestinians, buy a few DJI drones for the LDPR.
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It was too obvious of a suggestion to pass. Its good for a stunt and nothing else.

If it was me I would suggest a statute of Norman Bethune.
 
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Biscuits said:
Honestly such a suggestion seems borderline subversive against the legacy of Mao. Placing a statue of him next to one of a direct supporter of American aggression, in a country where there are no just laws, is an insult against what the late Chairman stood for.

If Mao was alive, he would not have wanted that statue placed. Hell, when he was alive, he did not even want to place statue of himself in China. Almost if not all Mao memorials/statues were built decades after he passed.

Should someone truly care about the cause of Maoism, they would have donated the money directly to an organization that helps the working class, or an organization that helps the oppressed peoples around the world. Get something for the Palestinians, buy a few DJI drones for the LDPR.
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Temstar said:
It was too obvious of a suggestion to pass. Its good for a stunt and nothing else.

If it was me I would suggest a statute of Norman Bethune.
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Norman Bethune isn't related to Trudeau Sr. at all though, it would be out of place in the University of Montreal’s Faculty of Law. A Mao statue would be more appropriate since he basically started the Canada-PRC relationship and flew to China to meet Mao. Then again, this stuff is probably a bunch of fake news meant to drive up sinophobia.

Didn't know that westerners still feared Mao, maybe installing a few Mao statues outside Chinatowns can keep the 鬼佬 away.
 
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